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comparison of Grand Canyon and Crash


I recieved an early screener of crash long before the buzz on the street. I instantly equated crash to a later version of Grand canyon.
in that Crash is film that in 1990 could not have been made without riots etc. I rewatched Grand canyon last night and drew this conclusion tell me if you agree.
Grand canyon talks about how bad it is getting in society/La that crime and violence is permeating everywhere and we are getting used to it.
Crash is fast forward 15 years and we are beyond used to all the crime and violence and struggling to co- exist with it and somewhat jaded beyond reason.

while there are many other dynamics to each story everyone is in someway affected by each leg of the story

reasonable point or not ?

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I am not sure whether you can draw parralels here. Crash, Magnolia, Short Cuts, Pulp Fiction, Grand Canyon, 21 Grams, 11:14, and Traffic can all have parralels drawn between them. They are all ensemble films with intertwining storylines. the structure should be in a genre of its own just like drama or action. Many can draw direct comparison with short cuts and magnolia (the earthquake in short cuts and the frogs in magnolia both brought people together despite their seperate lives). Its unfair to say one is a rip off of another without realizing similarities of all movies. Sorry.

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I just saw Crash, and am still digesting it, so I won't go on at length. But, I just want to say that I thought Crash and Grand Canyon were VERY similar. Both are set in LA, revolve around individuals dealing with their own and others' racism, there are several intersecting stories, and both convey a cautiously optimistic message.

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Simple. Grand Canyon is the thinking person's Crash. It's more realistic and nuanced. Crash, IMHO, is one of the worst Best Pictures.

...and that's all I have to say about that.

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Grand Canyon runs circles around Crash.
My friends and family members who adored Crash had not seen Grand Canyon. I implored them to see the real thing--Grand Canyon is more honest, realistic, hopeful. Crash is manipulative, trite, forced, and unrealistic. I mean--EVERYONE in LA is a racist deep down inside? Give me a break.



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Simple. Grand Canyon is the thinking person's Crash. It's more realistic and nuanced. Crash, IMHO, is one of the worst Best Pictures.


Agreed.

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I totally agree. I do not think Crash deserved Best Picture. I do not think Grand Canyon deserves it...but it deservers it...way before Crash.

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When I saw Crash for the first time, I immediately related it to Grand Canyon. There are many reasons to make comparisons, but for me, I saw Crash as the antithesis of Grand Canyon. To me, Grand canyon was, at least on one level, a film about the positive effects we can have on people and the ripples those effects can have. Crash was the exact opposite.

However, I think that Grand Canyon was a significantly more complex film because it not only looks at the effects of people's actions, but the motivation behind those actions. I walked away from Grand Canyon with a significantly more profound sense then I did from Crash. Crash never explores the concepts of fate and personal determination--it never looks back at itself and asks the question, why?

While Crash may disappear from my list of favorite films, Grand Canyon has a firm placing, mostly because it is terribly underrated and a film that very few people have ever seen. I have yet to have met someone in person that has seen the movie, and for that reason, it is always at the top of my recommendation list for those types of people who like thoughtful films. However, I would never suggest it to someone who tends mostly to like explosions and fart jokes... but to those people, I might suggest Crash... that is probably a major difference.

Just my $0.02

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I never thought of Grand Canyon when I saw Crash. The later was a worthy and interesting movie but it was NOT plausible many times and had a stilted look at racism. (Right, A gang banger drives a van of illegals to "their" part of town and gives them 50 bucks for the road.) ??
Grand Canyon was bigger & penetrated the angst of modern life. Try that sometimes. It will come off as preachy or laughable...99 times out of 100. GC continues on my all time greats list. Jilted girlfriend with the young cop was 'A' stuff.
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Grand Canyon deals with some ugly aspects of the human experience but it ultimately has a palpable spiritual, positive vibe, whereas Crash is more contrived, negative and ugly.

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I would never suggest it to someone who tends mostly to like explosions and fart jokes... but to those people, I might suggest Crash.


This answers my question about if I should watch Crash or not. I was interested at first, as it was being compared to Grand Canyon, which is one of my favorite movies.

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There's nothing wrong with Crash. It gets a lot of grief because it won Best Picture, which maybe it shouldn't have, but really it's worth a viewing. Crash is uneven and sometimes melodramatic, and not up to the same level as things like Grand Canyon and Short Cuts, but it's not the piece of dreck that some make it out to be.

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But if it's only superficially similar to Grand Canyon, and lacks the elements that are the reasons I love about GC, there's not much point in my watching it. That's all I meant.

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I just watched the trailer for Crash, and it looks decent enough. I see why people are comparing it to Grand Canyon. So I may watch it sometime, without expectations of it being as good as Grand Canyon.

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Quick comparison:
Grand Canyon was a thoughtful, nuanced, study of the chasm between the haves and the have nots and what plane we can all meet and live harmonously.

Crash was a forced, souless ridiculous hypothesis that we los angeleans are so desparate for human contact we crash into each other? That makes me laugh everytime I remember that stupid line. Overwrought, not remotely real characters, shrill and without depth. Stupid stupid stupid laughable movie.

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Finally saw Grand Canyon for the first time tonight. I too instantly thought of Crash.. Wow did Crash rip off GC..

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I can see the similarities. I first saw this movie when I was at school. I never understood the what the movies significance was. I just came across it again now. It is a fabulous movie. There is a socail message in the movie.

As far as Crash is concerned. That was more about learning about the error of ones ways and being non judgemental and not prejudice.

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What I see absent in most people's responses is the overlooking of the central theme of relationships being the core circumstance of everyone's life in Grand Canyon.

Every scene in Grand Canyon is a study in how people meet, how they relate, their need for empathy, how they can honestly interact when they let themselves, and the growth of a deep connection based on a genuine desire to reach out to others and find validation of "self."

Grand Canyon was populated with some of the finest character actors in America, and the smaller, bit roles, like armed young man who confronts Kevin Klein's character when his car breaks down, were executed in a pitch-perfect manner.

Steve Martin's performance was as nuanced as his character's behavior was stereotypical Hollywood.

When I contrast this story with that of the film Crash, the first thing I notice is that in Crash I found it hard to care about any of the characters at all. This could very well be because they portrayed people who elicited little love or empathy, and therein lies the big difference (for me) between the two films.

The themes of race and class are merely garnishes in Grand Canyon that provide the flavoring of the people's lives in the story but were not the central themes of the plot.

Everyone wants to find someone who understands their motivations, the things they care about in their lives, relationships that validate their own existence and worth. I believe that is the central theme in Grand Canyon.

In Crash, I saw the characters adrift in lives of little value, not so much looking for a connection to others, but in seeking validation for their masturbatory existences and justification for their weaknesses and excess.

One more thing I want to add is that James Newton Howard's score of the film was so highly evocative that it was the perfect companion to the thematic memes of the onscreen action.

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