Why fear?


So, the deciding factor according to this film of wether you can move on or wether you have to return to Earth and live another life is wether or not you have any fear? What about morals and ethics?

I mean, think about it. You could be a serial rapiest murderer and not care if you get caught and/or killed, and you'd be allowed to move on simply because you have no fear. Or be a suicide bomber working for Al-Quida or some similar terrorist faction and be allowed to move on because of lack of fear.

Consiquently, what exactly is wrong with having fear, that basic survival emotion? What's wrong with having common sense, like conserving your money and not blowing it on things like first class plane tickets or gambling casinos? Or being worried about the saftey of your loved ones? And how about people who suffer from chronic anxiety? Seems they'd have no chance of moving on after death.

In short, I find it very hard to believe that we're judged after death on how courageous we are and not on how moral we are.

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Well, it is a comedy. Why take it so seriously?
Anyway, if it's based on moral ... on whose moral will it be?
To the suicide bomber, it's morally right to kill since it's for the name of their religion. Besides, who knows what happen when we die? Only we will find out for ourselves and by then we can't really post it in the forum.

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I think it was pointed out in another thread, but that may have been his shortcoming, and not necessarily the deciding factor for everyone.


You just have to be resigned-
You're crashing by design

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I think the judging criterion was overcoming your fear; not NOT having it.

Serial killers and such probably have no 'fear' as we know, so they would be sent back frequently. ;)

It is assumed that we all have fear; even Meryl Streep running back into the burning house probabaly had great fear, but she didn't let it stop her.

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They never said morality wasn't important. They said right at the beginning of his trial that he was a quality human being. It's just that fear is what holds people back. Suicide bombers aren't necessarily brave people, they were too scared to think for themselves and just believe what they're taught. They were scared to think of the moral reality of their actions and relied on simplistic religious justifications. And it's not brave to kill yourself if you really think you're going straight to a chauvinistic paradise.

Similarly for people that are just amoral or don't give a spit. Selfishness and apathy can be defense mechanisms. These are people who shut themselves off from others because they are afraid of being hurt. They're scared of emotions, scared of the implications responsibilities that come with caring about others.

There's moral and emotional courage as well as physical courage. You seem to be focusing on risk taking. Well sometimes not taking a risk can be courageous. It takes courage to set priorities. It's not courage that let's someone gamble away the mortage payment. It's foolish, it's immature, it's fear of behaving the way you know an adult should.

And doing the right thing, not just the easy thing, often takes tremendous courage. I think Albert Brooks was onto something here. When a person just reacts to his instincts, they're acting like animals. When a person has the courage and strength to overcome his instincts and look at a situation in a rational and moral way, he's acting like a human being.

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.


The Litany Against Fear
From Dune by Frank Herbert

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I think Raymond hit the nail on the head. Fear in this film is not a reference to someone who is apprehensive about getting on a rollercoaster, but a deeper, more primal fear that stands in the way of getting aboard life. Taken down to the minutia, fear is a primary cause of many wrongs in the world. Fear to accept, fear of other's beliefs, fear of oneself, fear of responsibilty, what have you, these are traits deeply seated within those "fearless" criminal minds that the thread initiated discusses. Barbarous acts, crimes and cruelty are not the avenues taken by the truly courageous but the path followed by the truly cowardly.

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Raymond put it perfectly. Others on this board have questioned this same thing, but the movie is not saying that basic, healthy fears, such as ones that govern our survival insticnt, are bad; but rather, it's the fears that keep us from taking chances or risks that could benefit our lives that are on trial here.

It's a lovely, insightful little flick.

"First you ask if you can be red, knowing that I'm always red."

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The choice of fear is sort of arbitrary, but it allows Brooks to focus on human traits that we admire--the ability to put fear behind us and act courageously for others and ourselves.

Psychologically, you can boil people's problems down to fear, and even suggest that people are afraid of either abandonment or engulfment, by turns.

Brooks' films have usually have a fear/anxiety theme so choosing to have humanity judged by their response to fear in their lives probably seems as natural to him as can be. The film is about how people respond to their weaknesses. Fear works for a lot of people.

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I think your response makes the most sense...psychologists and whatnot do say that fear drives a lot of our maladaptive behaviors. Like anger...sprung secertly from fear. Even a serial killer, maybe he 'fears' he's a big loser so he goes and rapes women to feel better about himself b/c he has no courage to ask someone out on his own.

I got the impression that being driven by fear is part of the "small-brained" aspect. So in order to move up in intelligence and maturity in the universe, conquering the aspect of being driven by fear (insecurity, peer pressure, acting out of low-self esteem, fear of what others will think and letting that drive what you do... all that fits in too)...conquering that shows maturity of mind/spirit blah blah.

So to me, for this movie anyway, it WAS more about having a "mature" brain than morality or ethics. I suppose you could argue that someone is eviil and lashes out and stuff is a more immature brain, somehow.

Often, sociopaths ARE afraid of getting caught, lol. They don't care about anything except being locked up or not getting exactly what they want all the time.

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<< So, the deciding factor according to this film of wether you can move on or wether you have to return to Earth and live another life is wether or not you have any fear? What about morals and ethics?

I mean, think about it. You could be a serial rapiest murderer and not care if you get caught and/or killed, and you'd be allowed to move on simply because you have no fear. Or be a suicide bomber working for Al-Quida or some similar terrorist faction and be allowed to move on because of lack of fear. >>

Being a terrorist or murderer does not mean that you aren't fearful just because you supposedly don't fear death. It could simply mean that you fear your ememies more than death. It could mean that you fear the hard work, slowness, and ups & downs of a more diplomatic/peaceful route. For example, suicide bombers take the cowardly way out. Sure, they "die for their cause," however it takes more courage to live in a messed up world.

<< Consiquently, what exactly is wrong with having fear, that basic survival emotion? What's wrong with having common sense, like conserving your money and not blowing it on things like first class plane tickets or gambling casinos? >>

Nothing is "wrong" with it... At the same time, fear can sometimes keep us from actions that can benefit people more. The interesting thing is, that often there are no right or wrong answers. Situations often have many interpretations depending on how you look at them. (Note that I said "often," not "always."

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Well from a Christian perspective, Jesus Christ said "Fear not" way more than He said "Love one another" or anything else - so there is definitely some very sound theological basis for this film's premise.

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I'm not sure we're supposed to agree with the worldview of the people of Judgment City. Like Daniel, I find their views pretty baffling and implausible; and I suspect that's what the movie wants me to think. Sure, it's easy to see some ways in which his being less fearful would have improved his life. But overcoming such fears isn't all there is to living a good life, right? It just seems that can't be right.

This isn't necessarily a problem for film's plausibility, though. For, if there is an after-life, it's possible that we'll find that those who will be judging us have moral views quite different from our own. Indeed, it's possible that their moral views--the correct moral views--are incomprehensible to us. (And isn't this how they treat Daniel, as if he couldn't possibly understand their views and why they're clearly correct? He raises objections, and they brush them aside as if trying to explain themselves isn't worth their time.) We could be completely wrong about pretty much everything, including what does and doesn't make for a good life; and that may be one of first truths we discover when we head off to meet our maker(s).

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Fear probably because of the esoteric model of fear vs love that is portraid in many (esoteric) books.

It basically says that fear is the root of all the negative (and it leads to hate, anger, sadness...) and love is the opposite (acceptance, calmness, integrity...).

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