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Ending (lots of spoilers in)


I loved this movie.....everything was really good except the shooting scene at the end.......they were coming one by one like director told them to......it just didn't look realistic.......but still this doesn't stop me to give it 9/10....does anyone agree........bye

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I thought the ending was fantastic. The steady shot direction in slow motion was way before its time. My only complaint is that Frankie Flannery had some really awful aim for a mob boss. But alas i guess it made it more dramatic. Didn't exactly want to Noonan die or anything. I agree though, tremendous film and a lost classic.

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I thought the ending was fantastic. The steady shot direction in slow motion was way before its time.


The ending in State of Grace represents a sad failure of the imagination and originality which mark the rest of this otherwise excellent film.

A slo-mo gunshot-by-gunshot ending to a film would be way before it's time only if the film were to have been made prior to Taxi Driver (1976). Similarly, the intercutting between the horrific violence and the joyous social ritual of the St. Patrick's Day parade refers directly to the famous baptismal sequence in The Godfather (1972).

This flick is so great, in so many ways, that its third-act problems, hardly unheard of in the industry, stand out as particularly tragic.

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I don't get a Taxi Driver feeling from it. For one thing, Taxi Driver's shootout wasn't in slo-mo. It felt more like a Hong Kong action movie copy, something that doesn't belong with the movie before it and feels like it could be in an American Hong Kong style action movie like The Replacement Killers. Overdone, overstyled.

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I thought the shootout at the end was one of the best parts of the flick. Classic John Wayne style(The Shootist)ending!

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Since the thread is about the ending, I assume no one who hasn't seen it and doesn't want the ending spoiled will be reading this, but just in case, spoilers follow.

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Does Sean Penn's character die at the end? I'm really not sure.

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Nah, we're to assume he lives. He didn't have any major life-threatening wounds provided he was treated. And to the poster who said Flannery was a bad aim for a mob boss: They ain't made boss' for their sniping ability.

"WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE IS TOTAL LACK OF RESPECT FOR THE LAW."

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The fact of the matter is that most criminals can't shoot worth a damn because they never practice. I thought the shootout scene was very realistic because if you have ever actually shot hand guns before like I have you would know that it is not that easy to hit what you are aiming at, and especially when your target is moving and shooting back at you.

Sean Penn's character "Terry Noonan" was a police officer and most of the time police officers are very good shots because they are are trained in shooting tactics, and they also practice their shooting skills on a regular basis at the shooting range to stay on top of their game.

For example in the bar shootout scene, notice how Terry Noonan was laying on the floor behind the bar for most of the shootout. That is actually one of the best positions you can be in a shootout because when you are lying down flat on the ground you are a lot smaller of a target than if you are standing up like a bowling pin.


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"The fact of the matter is that most criminals can't shoot worth a damn because they never practice."
That's inaccurate. I suppose petty criminals seen getting busted on Cops don't, but experienced "professional criminals" certainly sharpen skills often & even train themselves better skills than cops have in some cases.

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I felt the movie just came to an end. Some of the subplots didn't even complete themselves, what happens to Penn? Does he die? What happens to Kate?


As far as the shoot out, what was with the extremely fake blood squibs? Whenever a character gets shot its like a watermelon is exploding under their shirt hahaha.


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the shootout was in Empire's top ten movie shootouts so i feel that perhaps speaks for itself in terms of quality. I personally loved the take on it, very cool and chilling at the same time

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The only reason it was filmed in slo-mo is because it's supposed to make the audience believe that these idiot shooters take 15 seconds to pick up their guns and fire. Penn had shot the Pat Nicholson guy about 5 times while we are meant to believe the other two were just sat there watching it.

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They leave Noonan's fate up to the audience imagination and Kate goes on with her life. She's done with all of them. The situation with Jackie and his terrible fate sent Noonan off the deep end.
I've never seen anyone in real life get shot in slow motion but I'd need to see what that looked like to accurately critique the fake blood explosions.

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The ending is a letdown. He just kills everybody. Just made the rest of the movie pointless. It wasn't believable and also not very thrilling. What's worse is that the movie just ends after that. It's too quick and not satisfying. Pity, the movie would have been really, really great if it hadn't been for this unnecessary John Wayne-ending.

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I think many people fail to understand the ending. It was fairly obvious that divine intervention was in play in some of those final gunshots in which Ed Harris 'missed'. One of the best death scenes I ever saw. In other words Ed Harris made that death look good.

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