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Would the FCC or the feds really bust you?


If someone had a pirate radio station would the FCC or the FBI or fxcking whoever really try to triangulate your coordinates and track you down and bust you? It seems really trite and a complete misallocation of resources that our community could be using elsewhere for better things.....like shooting kids in the back because they are a minority or embezzling from the state's treasury or whatever high-up officials do nowadays. Fxck kids in the ass......wait...no, that's priests.


Anyway.....anyone know?

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Oh hell yeah, they will. In SD, I've known some people who do pirate radio and they've had to do stunts similar to those in the movie where they have to keep the transmitter moving and making it so they won't leave any traces. Stuff like that. Clearchannel pretty much owns all the airwaves down here, so there is no variety whatsoever in the stations - just the same tired out crapola day-in and day-out OR it's gonna be some f ucked up iPod-on-shuffle sh!t like "Jack FM".

Check out these people:

http://sandiego.indymedia.org/

Sure, the movie is a movie and will bullsh!t some of the pirate radio stuff, but the fcc DOES come down to your neighborhood if you're f ucking with clearchannel's airwaves.


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That's why Eric Idle of the Monty Pythons did the FCC Song: http://www.pythonline.com/plugs/idle/FCCSong.mp3

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So will they arrest you and put you in jail? What's the sentencing guidelines for something like that? I couldn't imagine getting locked up and having to tell Bubba that I'm in for "playing black metal on the radio".

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Perhaps you need some more imagination. They will throw you in prison and put a five figure fine on you for "unlicensed broadcasting".

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What does imagination have to do with it?

In fact, I think i need proof. Show me someone that was throw in prison (That's a Federal Penitentiary, not some local jail) and got a fine that big for playing music on the radio and I'll believe it....until then I honestly think it's bullshxt.

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Actually, I don't give $h!t what you think. Just google for FCC and Pirate radio, and there's all the evidence you need, smarta$$.

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I did, and they say the same thing you did. But saying and DOING are two different things my friend.

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I don't think jail is part of it...what would probably happen is they'd shut you down, and then fine you if you continue to violate FCC regulations.

I don't actually know how the FCC functions, because as a Canadian we're regulated by the CRTC - my brother told me about how some of his friends in radio were shut down by the CRTC, but they weren't fined or anything.

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Ahhhh.

Thanks.

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ExPresidents, you don't need proof with the way the over powering bigots treat all of us humans (to them we are just numbers.) Of course they would throw you in prison. Most people on death row are innocent, but the law don't give a crap cause there is no justice in this pathetic over-powered world. We do not belong to ourselves any longer.

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I have actually been to prison. Most of them are not innocent.

But other than that, yeah I agree.

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Well, without trying to disagree too much, the numbers prove otherwise. Yes, a lot of prisoners are guilty of course, but the percentages prove otherwise. There are a lot more innocent death-row inmates than there are guilty. And even when the in mates are proven innocent, it can take years for them to be freed. Thats how screwed up the system is. And no matter what you or anyone says, this argument will go on forever, there will never be true justice. A murderer can go to prison and get out in 5 to 7 years - and a robber can get 10 to 20. Does that seem fair? No.

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I know what you mean about the same music played over and over again. They have a million songs that they could play or even several years old and a lot of the music stations just play the ones that people like to hear. I do not mind some of the music but when I hear "Party In The USA!" Every hour on the hour it gets old.

That is cool there are people out there pirating where you live at.

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there are a few ways to kinda weasel around it. my friend is doing LPFM (low power FM) which i guess is legal but i don't know much about it. so, you could theoretically have a high quality internet stream and set up a bunch of LPFM stations, or you could broadcast from an abandoned house (that you don't plan to squat), with the transmitter being fed the internet stream. they couldn't bust you but you'd be out a nice chunk of cash. they're a lot tougher on pirate radio than they were in the 90's.

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Is that the kind that has like, a one mile radius? My friend was going to do that but decided everyone that lived within one mile of himw as stupid and didn't care whether or not they heard his music or not.

The finest of music awaits us in the shadows of Hell. --Charles Bukowski

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Depending on what you do on you radio broadcast they will most likely just fine you. With the events in the movie they would push to prosecute, but with all the things that came up b/c of what Mark did he would get off light and have to do community service.

But in today's time with Netcasting the pirate radio is going to be a thing of the past. If they were to remake or "re-envision" Pump up the volume it would have to revolve around podcasting/vidcasting and an entire town not just one school. It could have the mayor or someone high up being corrupt.

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I am fairly sure the FCC don't have big orange vans with FCC on the side or the authority to "pull over everything with wheels." That part of the movie si definitely unrealistic. They could put you in prison for it but its more a misdemeanour than a felony to do so.

This dude got fined and put on house arrest for example: http://www.sptimes.com/TampaBay/71598/Pirate_radio_broadcas.html

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I ran a pirate radio station in Canada's national capitol Ottawa for about 6 months before getting shut down by Industry Canada. It was nothing like the movie, they showed up at my house, did an inspection (I was renting so the landlord had authority to let them in), then gave me a warning letter to stop otherwise I would get fined like $100,000. I gave up after that. I know hold a shrine to the station at www.radionuclear.com, but it's not the same as the good old days.

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I did a college paper a few years ago on the Telecommunications Act of 1996 which was the legislation that allowed Clear Channel, Emens and a couple of the other conglomorate radio moguls to buy multiple stations in the same markets. Anyway, at the time a few states passed laws that allowed some low watt "pirate" stations access to air time for certain periods...late lights mostly, but I'm not sure if those laws are still on the books. I believe Oregon was one of the states though. As for fines...I'm sure it has a lot to do with what kind of content you were broadcasting. if you were spewing Hard Harry/Howard Stern type stuff then you'd likely get some type of fine. If you were just broadcasting like tapes of church choirs you'd likely get a slap on the wrist and told to go home...maybe get your equipment confiscated.

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The Telecommunications Act did more than just deregulate radio stations.... Although it did provide a way for ClearChannel and Infinity Broadcasting to basically buy up every radio station in the US. The last i heard, there was something like a total of 5 or 6 total owenrs in all of the US. There were also provisions in there to censor the internet.... Which showed how much American politicians understand the nature of the internet.


Anyway: to the OP: Yes, if you run a pirate radio station and are caught, the FCC will fine you into oblivion. Then, when you can't pay the outrageous fines, you goto jail. Enjoy.

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Not every state takes you into custody for unpaid fines though. And the FCC I doubt would actually take the time and effort and money to coordinate with Federal officials to use their power to take you into custody and afford a trial. Unless, of course, you were causing dissension and sedition amongst the people....Then they would move in swiftly and unequivocally.

This thread has legs.


The finest of music awaits us in the shadows of Hell. --Charles Bukowski

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Definitely. Some friends of mine used to have a pirate radio station. It's been shut down, started up again (in secret, obviously), then shut down several times over the last five years.

Long live pirate radio!

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If the Feds or anyone wanted to bust you, they can find a way. I believe they technically busted the main character in the movie for being broadcast over state lines. But really, that was a cover story used to stop a guy who certain people in power labeled a troublemaker. He was a scapegoat. The thing is, there are times when those in power just want to catch SOMEONE for a specific crime. The public has been worked up by some event and they want SOMEONE'S head on a platter. Unfortunately they don't always care if they got the right person. Other times, emotions make society THINK they are going after the right guy - when the really just want SOMEONE to be caught and blames. It's a false sense of security - a sense of "accomplishment."

In the movie, the one kid killed himself. The town was so thoroughly wrapped up in its own false image that they couldn't/didn't want to blame themselves for missing the signs. So they latched onto whoever they could blame - the main character.

So yes, there are times when stuff may come down on people like this. But the reasons aren't always what those in power will admit to.

As for the prison term: We never actually found out if he went to prison. We assume that he did because he seemed to fear that we would. He could have been fined and released. Frankly we don't know. We don't need to know that specific detail anyway. The real point is that he refused to go along with "business as usual" in society. He refused to stay silent when stuff happened. He got caught and was supposedly stopped from continuing his pirate radio show - HOWEVER his objective was still reached as others started speaking out as well.

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It was mentioned they was called in as well because he was being charged with assisting that Malcolm kids death.

If you want to be picky you can also add the crime of stealing telephone feed and mail fraud which is a serious crime.

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F'in A right they will. Google "pirate radio". It used to be a big thing back in the 60's and 70's.

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Yes, the FCC will bust you. That's because they have nothing better to do than to interfere in the lives of the general public.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg5zodsZdds

This video sums it up really good.

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By bust, I meant GO TO PRISON. Not just get shut down with a little fine, which they do not do unless you are subversive or a fxcking terrorist.

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is anybody still doing pirate radio? is there any point now that we have the internet?

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Good point, but there are still airwaves out there, so someone out there is...

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It really depends on the office incharge of whatever region. I'm in Philly, and the FCC does nothing here, and I mean even when a pirate station was bleeding over onto a clearchannel owned station (so you know the FCC was made aware of it) it took them a year to shut it down. Outside that we have pirate stations that have gone on for years.

NYC is the same. Even Howard Stern had trouble getting a pirate station that was broadcasting his sirius radio show to get shutdown.

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If they weren't going to do anything about it why would The Federal Communications Commision even exist? Unlicensed broadcasting is illegal but it is unregulated and provides the potential for just about anything to be aired, whether it be racist, sexist, incitement to violence or hatred, or anything else like it.
Additionally if you are unlicensed there is concerns that your broadcast could slide over into reserved communication bands, like those used by the emergency services.
You can be sure that the FCC will track you down and take you off the air if they manage to catch you, what they do after that depends on what you were broadcasting and a variety of other factors. At the very least your equipment will be confiscated and you will be fined.

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They exist to monitor and control the content of EXISTING radio stations, not find low-watt pirate stations. I have come to the end of my quest in this three year old thread and the answer is: THEY DO NOTHING.

I set one up and not a fxckin thing happened.

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"If they weren't going to do anything about it why would The Federal Communications Commision even exist?"

Well, if the police aren't gonna hunt down the kid who stole my bike when I was 10, then why do they excist?

Like everyother department in the government, they can only do what their resources allow. I suppose shutting down little stations that are playing 80's music isn't a top concern. Just like my old bike.

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The FCC will bust you. They usually don't act until tipped off. Usually it's an inoccuous call: "What's that new station?" or "We here at the church are experiencing some interference when we try to broadcast the gaspel and farm repost on Sundays, cud'ja see what's up?"

Most of the pirate radio station hunters are ex-Marines looking for something to do to justufy existence. The stiffest penalties are fines, up to $500,000. No prison.

"All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie."
-Bob Dylan

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The answer is yes, though I don't think triangulation is the preferred method - rather just driving around a signal to see where it gets stronger. I wouldn't say they do it all the time, but they definitely do it.
FCC a misappropriation of funds? You mean they shouldn't be using our tax dollars to work on taking away our First Amendment rights? Be careful, you're starting to sound un-American.

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The internet can hold zillions of sites.

The airwaves, on the other hand, are a limited resource - there are only a finite number of frequencies that can be used local to each other before they start to bleed over. Thus, the FCC was created to allocate them.

Of course, the original idea was that the airwaves (including broadcast television frequencies) belonged to the people. The FCC granted a frequency to a station, and the owners had a responsibility to the public.

The decades-long monopoly of the "big three" (ABC, CBS and NBC) rather belied the idea of fair allocations of frequencies. From what people have posted, most radio stations are evidently now owned by a few monopolies also.

A low power station is probably beneath notice. But I'm betting that if a pirate station *interfered* with reception of their broadcast, they'd have the FCC down on it ASAP. Money talks, the government listens.

Back in the day of this movie, however, an underage teen would get off lightly: probably his parents would have to pay a fine and that would end it. These days - if there was something besides a fine, and a person actually went to jail (extremely doubtful, maybe from persistently flouting the laws repeatedly), it would be a minimum-security "white collar" type prison, not a penitentiary.

Hopefully the internet is freeing us from the chokehold these monopolies have on the news we get. The problem with the internet is not how to put information out there ... the problem is getting anyone to listen.

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One more little thing I may add (and if this was covered I am sorry) Mark says that his parents bought him the equipment so he could talk to his friends (from where ever, I don't remember) The equipment was amateur radio (or Ham Radio). you need a license to use this equipment. (even then you did)

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