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Did Dennis sleep with Kathleen? No

posted 20 years ago by amidazuiken
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I've had the TV version of the show tape recorded for years and it's the only version I had seen as of late -- up until tonight that is when I bought the video. I read here, elsewhere, that Dennis slept with Kathleen. As far as I could tell, at least from the TV version I saw he didn't, no did I remember him doing so from when I initially saw the film on video.

So I watched it again and my answer is still no, he doesn't sleep with her. Yes, sure he says he does, and yes, sure Avila *imagines* him doing so....but aside from these two factors there's no evidence to suggest he does. Sure he has her undies; easy enough to get. Any comments?

[–] Coryraisa 20 years ago

Probably Kathleen got naked with Dennis, which is how he got her underwear. But yes, Raymond acted like a jealous little dodo and smacking Kathleen in the restaurant and making that stupid scene really didn't score any points with me. I think Amy would have been distressed at Raymond's actions; good thing she wasn't there to see his tantrum.

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[–] Coryraisa 20 years ago

Dear Amy was paralyzed for a while. I think also Raymond went to jail for a while and he and Kathleen split up. Amy was also dismayed at Raymond's sinking to Peck's level and killing him. That's my take.

[–] jpolakas 19 years ago

I saw the film when first released and had the same question. Gere saID he did - he had a secret lunch with her and her panties. He said that he knew she like it up the a$$.

Now, whatever, your take on it, THE FACTS ARE - Travis did deceive Garcia about the lunch and she and Gere diappeared right after lunch and she was unavailable at work and she did not have her panties on later and she says Gere thought it would be good for Garcia. Too many ANDS in my last sentence - she hid the monkey with Gere.

[–] killett 19 years ago

She definitely broke her vows and committed adultery, whether emotional or physical is the only question left, in all events she crossed the line.

[–] Coryraisa 19 years ago

All three of them...Dennis Peck, Raymond Avila, and Kathleen Avila acted really stupid and immature. Amy was the most mature character of the entire film; I really adored Amy. I liked that she didn't let herself be drawn into Raymond's immature little drama. Amy was practically the only character who conducted herself was real dignity.

[–] slumlord7 19 years ago

Where in the film was it suggested that Kathy wasn't wearing her panties after her lunch with Dennis?

[–] Coryraisa 19 years ago

Now, whatever, your take on it, THE FACTS ARE - Travis did deceive Garcia about the lunch and she and Gere diappeared right after lunch and she was unavailable at work and she did not have her panties on later and she says Gere thought it would be good for Garcia. Too many ANDS in my last sentence - she hid the monkey with Gere.

You mean Kathleen, not Nancy Travis, deceived Raymond, not Any Garcia, about the lunch and Kathleen and Dennis Peck were having the fling. I know, it's common for ppl. to confuse the actors with the characters.

Good thing Amy didn't witness the infantile tantrum Raymond threw right there in the restaurant while screaming at Kathleen; that would have turned Amy's stomach and probably made her puke.

[–] chikados18 19 years ago

Kathleen and Dennis did not have an affair. Dennis was only playing mind games with Avila because he knew he was being followed. He knew that if Avila saw him having lunch with Kathleen, it was going to drive him crazy. Dennis lured Kathleen to meet him for lunch to discuss her husband's behavior. If you hear closely when Kathleen was having lunch with Dennis, he was telling her that the department was concerned about Avila for working too hard on one case. He also mentioned to Kathleen that it was preferable not to say anything to her husband. That's why she didn't tell Avila about the lunch later on and was hoping to talk to him about it at home and not at the restaurant.

[–] shyam_frank 19 years ago

Kathleen and Dennis may not have had an affair, but i feel that Kathleen did sleep with Dennis. When Raymond tells her (back at home in the morning) that he saw her having lunch with Dennis, she shouts at him and asks why he did not stop 'it' ? Subsequently she says that it'll never happen again. Does this not prove that Kathleen did sleep with Dennis and that Dennis was not lying to Raymond ? Then again, I might be wrong, it would really help if somebody clarifies this part.

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[–] chainsawmax 19 years ago

sad but true, but such is life sometimes. that's why the movie is interesting - who can you really trust?

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[–] McQueen1980 18 years ago

The Peck/kathleen relationship is deliberately left ambiguous that is in-coming with a psychological thriller. You are left to your own devices as to whether they did or not. Still the fight in the lift Peck is thrillingly "convincing" as to what he got up to with Kathleen!!

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[–] tomcat69w 18 years ago

Of course he did NOT sleep with/Funk Her! It was all a 'guise' for Andy Garcia. This IMO is Gere's best acting job. He fit's the role to a T'. He Gere/Peck was Boning' Van Stretchs' Lady, and his world came tumblin' down!
Great (very underated) movie! Possibly one of the most effective acting in Gere's/or anyone else's sick, demented behaviour. I right now can only think of Kevin Spacey's character in Se7en, (ok & J. Gumm in SOTL & Hannibal as well). Gere was pure 'greed',...the epitome of it, the sickness of it. I would love to see more movies like this, and I did not even discover this film until recently when it played on Skinamax. I was a devoted mountain man in 1990, lived in a tent in the wood's with a dog, and an 'over-&-under .22/.20 Savage Arm's shotgun/.22 rifle. Too old to depend upon that lifestyle for many years now, so I'm still, 'catching-up' on a lot of movies from 1987-1992. Rock On!

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[–] McQueen1980 18 years ago

ya and gere goes on to do rubbish like final analysis, intersection, shall we dance, dr t and the women (hello!)autumn in new york (yawn!)... has that guy any quality control agent or what?

[–] benedictcumberbatch-87693 9 years ago

his best performance since was 'Arbitrage'

its like dennis changed his name and went to wall street

[–] ddog3253 18 years ago

Guys...and I mean this collectively, with all due affection. I'm watching it right now and you're missing the point. Raymond confronts Kathleen and he admits he was following them, Peck actually, not her. Then it all comes out, he asks her, point blank and she says "No, you have to believe me, if I was *beep* anyone else I wouldn't be with you." Obviously, Raymond believes her, because they tearfully re-unite and, in fact, do it (something they had not done in a long time) right there on the floor. It's Raymond's worst fear as a machismo Mexican cop that someone would cuckold him and Peck knows this, so he plays on that fear, like a violin. The panties are a non issue, they're clearly not hers, they could've come from anywhere.

[–] tomcat69w 18 years ago

I'm not sure anyone 'missed' the point,...at least that's not what I was yakkin' about. And I don't see any 'new' info in your post that say's anything other than what we already know. So I guess I'm askin',...what-choo-be-talkin'-bout-Willis? Ha!

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[–] Stanley-6 18 years ago

Hasn't anybody read Othello? This movie was a modern take on Othello. Raymond was Othello, Dennis was Iago and Kathleen was Desdemona. Iago/Dennis staged the affair to play with Othello/Raymond's head. In Othello, it was a handkerchief, not panties, but same principle. The big difference is that, unlike Desdemona, Kathleen doesn't die. I suspect that the studio didn't appreciate the original tragic ending.

[–] tomcat69w 18 years ago

Ooooooooooh! I KNEW I had seen that scenario some where. I have the Complete Works of Shakespeare,...and acted in King Lear as Edgar Son of Gloucester. Time to 'Hit The Book's'.

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[–] djsnafu23 15 years ago

I think they did sleep together- the "why did you not stop it" being a giveaway. Nobody can be sure though since garcia's character didn't reach deep under her skirt.

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[–] Anaisnine 11 years ago

Sigh...

when she says "..and you didnt stop it??" she means " you let me have lunch with this psycho guy that you are investigating???"

Also it means " you thought I was cheating on you, and you didnt immediately confront me/him??"

Seriously, did any of you watch the movie??

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[–] SnoozeAlarm 11 years ago

>>> Guys...and I mean this collectively, with all due affection. I'm watching it right now and you're missing the point. Raymond confronts Kathleen and he admits he was following them, Peck actually, not her. Then it all comes out, he asks her, point blank and she says "No, you have to believe me, if I was *beep* anyone else I wouldn't be with you." Obviously, Raymond believes her, because they tearfully re-unite and, in fact, do it (something they had not done in a long time) right there on the floor. It's Raymond's worst fear as a machismo Mexican cop that someone would cuckold him and Peck knows this, so he plays on that fear, like a violin. The panties are a non issue, they're clearly not hers, they could've come from anywhere.

Finally, someone who understood the movie.

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[–] jpkrunch 11 years ago

They were her panties. She even said so. But he did not bang her. Probably took them from her drawer.

[–] spifflog 10 years ago

Did you watch the film?

No where in the film did she say or admit that they were hers.

And she clearly did not sleep with Dennis. I wonder is people even watch the movies they discuss here.

[–] jpkrunch 10 years ago

count yourself among such fools. she confirmed they were hers. wow

[–] commaspace9 9 years ago

https://youtu.be/s1eS6OYosaE?t=1h7m25s

At the 1:07:34 mark... she says: "...why you throw MY panties..."

No, Peck did not tap that ass. I assume like many that Dennis broke into their house to get them.

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[–] montrossboc-1 11 years ago

Truly Gere's best. A very powerful performance.

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[–] Soodinum 10 years ago

I've seen this many times since it was in the theatres and own it on DVD; it NEVER crossed my mind (or the minds of anyone I watched it with) that Peck was telling the truth.

FFS ... Peck said he screwed Kathleen, then threw a pretty vanilla pair of panties at Raymond when he was already in a pretty wound up state, and all the paranoia that had built up did the rest. How many husbands know every single pair of pantioes their wife owns? Gere - through the multiple wives - had access to any amount of womens' underwear. Hell, he could have bought them.

[–] robertoahhh 10 years ago

One thing I don't get is how he got her underwear? They must of gone to her house together? It seems like she cheated even though she said she didn't.

[–] manram24 10 years ago

He could have went to their house and stolen her panties perhaps.

Y'know, I could eat a peach for hours

[–] Maxvayne 9 years ago

I'm starting to wonder if many of the posters in this thread have even seen the film.

I just finished watching this and she clearly states during the argument at the apartment after Raymond's night out that she didn't sleep with Dennis, hence the confused look when he hands her the panties. She didn't tell him 'who' she went to see at the restaurant because Dennis told her that he and the department were concerned about Raymond's well being, and that they didn't want anything major to happen to him.

As for the panties I just figured they were from Dennis' wife or some other lady.