How did the Judge know?


Is it explained in the book how did the Judge know about the letter which Ramious sent to Admiral Podorin and that Podorin called a meeting with high officials right afterwards?
He knew it the next day already..

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Judge?

I can't answer your question, because it has been ages since I read the book.

But I do remember that Clancy wrote something funny about the lazy mailman:

If I remember correctly, in the mailroom, the mailman sees the letter for Padorin, and says to himself: "fùck it, i'm mailing that letter for that bigshot tomorrow. It's too late now".

Or something like that. I have to read the book again someday.


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But I do remember that Clancy wrote something funny about the lazy mailman:

If I remember correctly, in the mailroom, the mailman sees the letter for Padorin, and says to himself: "fùck it, i'm mailing that letter for that bigshot tomorrow. It's too late now".

Or something like that. I have to read the book again someday.


the scene you are referring to had nothing to do with how the info got to the Americans, that was due to Kardinal.

The scene you are referring to had only to do with showing how Admiral Padorin got the letter a day late.

The scene really did nothing for the plot itself directly. it is just an example of the depth and richness of Clancy's works in creating and immersing the reader in the world.



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The scene really did nothing for the plot itself directly. it is just an example of the depth and richness of Clancy's works in creating and immersing the reader in the world.


Yep. Creating worlds is something only the great writers and directors can do. I'll have to read the book again, and start reading the other books Clancy has written. My local library only has Red October in my language. So, I'll have to order them online somewhere.

I read the book when I was still in school, somewhere in the late 90's, and to this day I still remember the lazy mailman.

There are some funny scenes in the movie (mostly Richard Jordan), and maybe, the mailroom scene would have worked great in the movie . We'll never know.



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One of the lines I remember from the mailman scene was the attitude of the mailman in the "Worker's paradise" of the Soviet Union.

"They pretend to pay us, We pretend to work."





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Judge was just a nickname they called the Director of the CIA.

He was not acting as a judge and that was not his position. Judge Arthur Moore was the Director, Central Intelligence. Greer's Boss.
He is called Judge Arthur Moore because before he was the Director of CIA, he was a former Prosecutor in Texas and then a Judge.

Just like they called Greer, Admiral Greer... even though he is retired from the Navy, no longer active navy, and is a civilian working as the DDI (Deputy Director, Intelligence)

Or look at how former presidents such as Bush or Clinton are still referred to as "Mr. President" even though they are ex-presidents.



How he knew was thanks to the CIA's greatest undercover asset... Cardinal.
The latest Cardinal report reported the information regarding the letter.




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In one more of the movies based on Tom Clancy's book The Sum of All Fears there was a spy in Moscow codenamed Spinaker. Is that the same spy which Tom used in this book THFRO?

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The Sum of All Fears(Film) is a complete abomination as a film adaptation of a Novel.
While every film adaptation has some changes... usually to either a) fit the whole novel into a feature length film rather than a mini-series, or b) to reduce the number of roles in the film to a manageable size, often by combining two or more characters into an amalgam character, or by total elimination of the character and the assigning of that character's lines to another roll

In Red October for example... Having the rescue of the Russian crew and pretending to sink October happen at the same time the Alfa discovers and tries to sink it for real happening at the same time is an example of the first. Compressing two separate scenes into one for time. In the Novel they happened days apart.

An example of the second is Ryan going aboard Dallas. By having him board Dallas, it eliminates all the scenes with HMS Invincible as well as the role of the British Officer that was Ryan's Russian interpreter. Instead the film shows Ryan speaking Russian instead.
It also allows having Mancuso, Jonesy,and the rest to board with Ryan from Dallas to Red October when in fact they did not do so til later, in between Ryan boarding with the crew getting off and the fake sinking, and later when the Alfa tries to sink them.

But Sum of All Fears changed far FAR more than simply necessary changes to adapt the novel to a film.

Sum of All Fears completely re-wrote the whole damned thing for no reason.
If you were to change the title, and the names of a few characters like Jack Ryan.... One would be hard pressed to even recognize that the film was based on the novel. It is that changed.

Spinaker is a figment of the film's imagination.
Cardinal was the spy as I already stated.



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Yea, I understand now. Thanks

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I don't have TSOAF in front of me, & my recall is hardly perfect, but if Cardinal had already been exfiltrated from the USSR in "The Cardinal of the Kremlin," how could he have been involved with TSOAF? Or are you not saying that?

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What part of:

Spinaker is a figment of the film's imagination.
Cardinal was the spy as I already stated.

...did you not understand?

And Sum of All Fears (Where Cardinal is extracted) takes place well after the events of Hunt For Red October (Where Cardinal is still very much active)

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