U571 is a good movie but portrays Americans as stealing the Enigma machine when in reality we Brits stole it, it's like us making a movie portraying Brits as carrying out the Doolittle raid instead of Americans...
OH GOD! I wish "you Brits" would get over it already.
Here's a hint...
Learn the difference between "Based on" a historical event
and...
"Historical FICTION"
U-571 never claimed nor tried to portray the actual events surrounding the capture of the Enigma.
Get the frak over it and stop being so sensitive.
And no it would not like be like the Brits making a movie about the British carrying out the Doolitle raid.
That would be falsely portraying a historical event.
Something you claim (untrue) that U-571 does.
Had we Americans made a film in which an American Destroyer attacked and forced to the surface the U-110 and captured the Enigma on boarding the sub... THEN you would have a LEGIT GRIPE
THAT would be Akin to you making a film about the British conducting the Doolittle raid.
U-571 is more like had you Brits made a film where you conducted your own raid against the Japanese during a time when the Japanese thought themselves immune to attack. (Not the Doolittle raid, but something similar)
A FICTIONAL STORY, Based in a HISTORICAL TIMEPERIOD
Learn the difference and stop getting your knickers in a twist.
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CCRider01
13 years ago
OH GOD! I wish "you Brits" would get over it already.
Here's a hint...
Learn the difference between "Based on" a historical event
and...
"Historical FICTION"
"Based on" movies typically start with a basic premise that is true, and then change "SOME" elements of the storyline, or change some of the characters (typically to avoid paying royalties). Regarding U571, when the basic premise is a falsehood and nothing more than a figment of some screen writers imagination, then the film is closer to Historical FANTASY than Historical FICTION.
U571 should have started off with "LONG LONG AGO IN A SEA FAR FAR AWAY"
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CCRider01
13 years ago
"And no it would not like be like the Brits making a movie about the British carrying out the Doolitle raid. That would be falsely portraying a historical event"
Uhm, is that not what the producers of U571 did, falsely portray a historical event? If so, the Doolitle raid analogy would be accurate.
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CGSailor
13 years ago
Uhm, is that not what the producers of U571 did, falsely portray a historical event?
Not even close.
Tell me... Is this supposed historical event that U-571 is falsely portraying when the British disguised their sub and posed as a Greman sub to capture a disabled German sub?
When did that ever happen? I'll tell you. NEVER.
Now if U-571 was about an American destroyer on convoy escort duty, attacking and disabling a German sub then boarding and capturing it as HMS Bulldog did to the U-110... THEN and ONLY THEN would you have a claim.
The story of disguising an allied sub to trick the germans to capture a real german sub is completely fictional, The reason for them doing so was to capture an enigma, true. But capturing the enigma is just the MacGuffin. The reason for the plot. The plot itself is total fiction.
I will repeat myself specifically for your benefit... LEARN THE DIFFERENCE between Based upon a true event and Historical Fiction. You still have yet to learn.
I will not respond to you any more on this particular topic on this board. there is plenty of that crap over on the U-571 board. Post me there. I am active there as well. But turn THIS thread back over to the OP's asking about other sub films and discussing Red October.
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Hanz-Willhelm
11 years ago
I've noticed you for several weeks now....posting on many films regarding the navy. You do seem to have a lot of knowledge on the subject but you display it in a rather snooty and condescending manner. These boards are supposed to be fun. No need to be so combative and belittling of everyone. No one post in particular you just seem to have this edge in many of your replies to everyone.
Talking about films is for fun.
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CGSailor
11 years ago
If it is simply an exchange of information or talking about a subject, I do NOT behave as you claim.
Maybe you should go back and check those that are "snooty and condescending" as you claim... check them for just who and what I am responding to in those situation as opposed to the others where I don't.
It's not to "everyone" as you claim.
You'll find I have no patience with people being idiots.
And no, I do not think someone is an idiot for not knowing something I do.
I think they are an idiot when they post something completely off the wall stupid. something that flies against all common sense and logic.
Or if they persist in a falsehood even when demonstrated otherwise.
Then... yeah. I do tend to be rude towards them.
The problem is that those types.. the willfully ignorant, and trolls, tend to be a very large number of people. I also tend to confront them when found.
So yeah, a large part of my posting fits the pattern you claim, but there is a selectiveness to it, something you may have missed.
In this case with this thread, There has been an ongoing feud between certain posters from Britain and Americans on the U-571 board. Certain people just cannot grasp the difference between Historical Fiction, and a based upon a true story.
My "attitude" here is an exasperation of having to explain it over and over and over ad nauseum.
Scroll down the board thread to one titled "Bearing 315" for an example of where I DON'T just go off on everyone.
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jcard07
10 years ago
The voice of reason! Good for you Hanz....
He's not the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy..
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CCRider01
9 years ago
Going through old postings, so I will respond to CGSailor now. I like others in this thread, fully understand what based upon means. U-571 is somewhat entertaining, but it is just another Hollywood movie that plays fast and loose with the "based upon" aspect, to portray the US of A as the heroes.
Kind of like another "based upon" film called Argo that over states the role that Americans played, while ignoring / downplaying the efforts of other nations, in this case Canada.
From the mouth of the man in charge, Jimmy Carter. Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr5XJ8dbJtg
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CGSailor
9 years ago
What I said:
In this case with this thread, There has been an ongoing feud between certain posters from Britain and Americans on the U-571 board. Certain people just cannot grasp the difference between Historical Fiction, and a based upon a true story.
And you respond with:
I like others in this thread, fully understand what based upon means. U-571 is somewhat entertaining, but it is just another Hollywood movie that plays fast and loose with the "based upon" aspect, to portray the US of A as the heroes.
Thanks for proving my point. U-571 is not a Based upon true events story, it is HISTORICAL FICTION.
You are one of those that fails to grasp the difference, even though you claim to "fully understand", you Don't.
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CCRider01
9 years ago
Thanks for proving my point. U-571 is not a Based upon true events story, it is HISTORICAL FICTION
Congratulations for summarizing what most people on this thread already know, U571 is total fiction. Just another mildly entertaining fluff piece.
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CGSailor
13 years ago
ROFLMAO!!!!!!
You just proved me correct about you needing to learn the difference between historical fiction and based upon a true story.
You took my description of based upon a true story, and applied it to historical fiction then claimed it was historical fantasy, not historical fiction.
I swear... there are no shortage of idiots online is there?
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