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Boiled human fat makes you fly!


i dunno if anyone posted this already, but i didn't see it anywhere.

Toronto. The trial of Sandy Charles, a 14-year-old boy who killed a seven year old in rural
Canada and then boiled his flesh in what the lawyers say was an imitation of a scene from the 1989 release Warlock, has sparked further debate in Canada about links between screen violence and the effect it has on children.
The 14 year old has admitted luring the seven year old into the bushes where he stabbed,
bludgeoned and suffocated the child. Charles' lawyers have told the court that the killing was probably inspired by Julian Sands' character in Warlock, who drinks the liqueried fat of a child to gain special powers.

Charles' mother said he had watched Warlock at least 10 times.

i can't seem to find much information on this, but i remember when it happened, although i can't remember the year.
anyways, i want some more info on it goddamnit. cough it up.

i don't think it was ever confirmed if ol' sandy charles ever flew, but i'll bet he didn't do his research and find an unbaptised victim. i wonder if he's ever getting out, or if he's already out.

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The first stories of "flying ointments" were recorded in the early 1400's. In those cases, mention was made only that the witches dreamt they were flying. Watched all night long, the witches were not seen to actually leave, but would awake with lurid stories of far away gatherings.

While the forged "grimoires" produced by the clergy prosecutors wove lurid tales of the boiled fat of a child as the central ingredient of the flying potion, the reality is that the concoction was based on easily available herbs such as aconite, nightshade, belladonna, and alcohol.

The clergy, eager to so horrify the masses as to remove all resistance to the abuses of the Inquisition cast all witches as a threat to the children, just as Hitler would later do to the Jews, and the present government to the internet. This myth of using a child's fat for a flying potion has no basis in historical fact, but persists to this very day, and was used as a story element in the film, "Warlock".

Of all the folk drugs available to the witches, ergot was the most powerful, and the most dangerous. In use as a hallucinogen it was absorbed through the skin, most quickly through the thin tissues of the female genitals. "Flying ointment" was administered by rubbing it on a smooth wooden pole such as a broomstick, and then "riding" the pole.:-O:-);-)muhuwahahahahahaha!




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The kid was a pshyco to begin with, if he didnt kill then he would have later in life!

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true. he may have killed later on in life, but more than likely he will be released from the lax canadian prison system and back on the streets with a messed up mentality and a blockbuster card, ready to rent warlock and watch it ten more times. i don't think he's been rehabilitated. maybe if he killed as an adult he would get a life sentence. he may be reading this as we speak. aieeeeeee. you rule! :S

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Sandy Charles is a fricken loser hes still in a psychward n shows no remorse in fact he sits in his room almost 24-7 staring at the wall. Props to my buddy who smacked Sandy Charles in the face with a serving tray while in juvienille hall he deserved it PS bring back capital punishment in Canada :D oh n for the record it happened in La Ronge

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Starring at the wall? Sounds like Michael Myers.

- Peter

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The accounts you mention of witches waking up from sleep and telling lurid tales of where they'd flown sounds a lot like a description of what we would now call "lucid dreaming," "remote viewing" -or directed consciousness.

They may not actually take their physical bodies, but the consciousness is supposed to literally leave the body and and -literally- transport itself to
some distant place. Adepts can, under controlled, scientific conditions, clearly and accurately describe people, places and events they have had no direct knowledge of or contact with.

As for psycho-boy being influenced by the movie; he was disturbed to begin with if he could not distinguish the mumbo-jumbo of a horror movie from practical reality.


"If you don't know the answer -change the question."

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Lucid Dreaming and Remote Viewing are two completely different things. One involves taking control of your actions while asleep and dreaming. The other, leaving your body and projecting your consciousness elsewhere in reality. Some occurances are lent some credibility by the distances involved, which would be near impossible to travel when the timing and duration of the experience are taken into account. Such as the 18th century scientist Swedeborg who announced at a dinner over four hundred kilometers from his hometown that a fire was burning towards his home. He later exclaimed in relief that all was well and the fire had been extinguished three houses away from his own. Had this been lucid dreaming, the reports that sped back two days later wouldn't have confirmed the events happened precisely at the times he spoke out. Strangely enough, the reports did confirm the visions.

I'm not saying I'm a believer in the latter, just had to point out the notable difference.

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Is remote viewing the same thing as astral prpjection? Where one projects their concisness (yeah i know i butchered that word) to a place far away, like for instance in orbit around the moon or on the surface of mars? Places a person could never go, due to the lack of oxygen for instnace.

Or is remote viewing more somthing that happens while your awake and in control of it all? Thanks in advance.

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I believe they're almost the same, but I'm not sure whether you have to be asleep or unconscious in order for Astral projection to work. Remote viewing seems to be more like visions of far away happenings that could last for mere seconds, like a daydream. I also don't think remote viewing involves you appearing elsewhere in a potentially visible spirit form, but then Astral Projection might not always involve that either. I've not really read into it in much depth.

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Of course, I bet the mother takes no responsibility for her 13-14 year old son watching an R-rated movie a dozen times...

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Yes, because we all know that watching rated R movies when you are 14 will cause deviant behavior.

Bullsh!@!

The mother needed to explain to her son that what you see in the movies in not for real. TV is not a babysitter and, although helpful, should not be used for the everyday education of a child.

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We're just lucky that he didnt saw the sequel where warlock eats a guy eye and sucks the blood from him to compensate his loss of that liquid.

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We're just lucky that he didnt saw the sequel where warlock eats a guy eye and sucks the blood from him to compensate his loss of that liquid

If you can call it a sequel its plot has no connection with the 1st Warlock film whatsoever

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>> Yes, because we all know that watching rated R movies when you are 14 will cause deviant behavior.

You missed my point. The mother blames the movie for what the kid did instead of considering that her lack of parenting skills had anything at all to do with it.

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That was my point. I was agreeing with you.

Not an attack!

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I watched this film when i was 7, hellraiser when i was 5.

I am a university grad with an honours degree, I studied in England for 4 years and am currently headed for my Ph.D. I have passed rigorous medical school exams.

Please explain the connection between my mother allowing me to watch horror films in my childhood and me being a highly successful individual with an education geared towards high empathy (i am a shrink...and not the social worker kind either)

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It was the fat from an unbaptized male child, not his flesh, so the boy is not only psychotic but stupid too.

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Any modern witch with more than a month's training can tell you that all of those old names - eye of newt, unbaptized baby fat, etc. - are merely old references to herbs.

The herbs you mention will indeed cause a hallucenogenic effect and perhaps an out-of-body experience. I would caution people to use them very sparingly unless you want your OBE to be permanent.

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*eye of newt, unbaptized baby fat, etc. - are merely old references to herbs.*

Ok, maybe for some WICCANS, it is. But fat is used to make the ointment itself, some people today use different kinds of oil, though. But baby fat is the most effective, especially unbaptized baby. Holds great power.

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I think it really only has the power you assign it. You could use butter or used motor oil and it would do the same thing if you gave it that power.

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Now come on guys and girls,its true to a point that kids copy stuff they see on tv,but to go that damn far is well over the top,he must have had a real screw lose,which sadly was not picked up on earlier.
I used to laugh my arse off when so called experts used to say that listening to heavy metal will make you go out and kill people,how many serial killers were big metalheads (bar the nightcrawler dude),not to many to be honest.
Its the same with movies they are jsut fantasy for most peole,turn your brain off for a while,chill out and then get on with life,problem is some people are not all there, and belive everything they see and hear,glad this kind of stuff does not happen to much.

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couldnt agree more chris
for the fact that from a young age iv seen pretty much any film u care to name and i havent robbed anybody or murdered them or done anything in that vein yet according to the new laws coming oot over here warlock would be fine but a tom & jerry where tom smokes a roll up isnt
and u wonder why half the world is full of anal repressed people and the other half psychos (ps there is about 5 percent of rational ppl in the world scary eh?)

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what a dumb kid... he could've scaped flying off jail

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I think I watched this movie about the same number of times at about the same age, and it never even crossed my mind to do anything to a kid.

These types of people often were abused or neglected as very small children (ie less than 6 months old) and as a result are not socialized to humanity, and never can be, either. This manifests itself in antisocial behavior, sexual deviancy, and often pyromainia. I would hazard a guess that this child also set fires.

That's not to say that infant neglect or abuse is the only factor, but it would be worthwhile to investigate. And that's not to say that every serial killer or psycho out there was brought up that way. But it is frequently the case.

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He didn't go to jail, atleast not for killing/boiling/eating the 7 yr old. He was found not guilty under grounds of insanity in 1996.

Further: He had an accomplice - an 8 year old.

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Okay, numerous points to clarify:

First, this isn't the only time a kid has done something seen in a movie/on tv. I heard of a young kid who "bodyslammed" his younger brother and killed him after watching wrestling. I also heard of a group of teens who laid in the road drunk recreating a scene from some sports movie, and of course, they were killed in traffic. Which is why younger kids should be supervised when watching nastier movies and given some basic education about reality and common sense. Of course, the Manson groupies don't even need visual stimulation - they can get off on a Beatles song. Stupid, ignorant, and insane people are no reason to promote censorship; but they are a good reason to give proper education and guidance.

Some people have mentioned that historically witches didn't need child fat to fly, but merely this herb or that herb. The point is, the kid in the Warlock movie could have been named Herb. What the Hell, let's just assume that was his name.

As for "lucid dreams", "remote viewing", and "astral projection" (and I'm certain there are other terms), I have had an interesting experience. When I was young I had dreamt that my cousin had died, and he did indeed die during the night of my dream. However, my dream did not actually depict the act of his death, but depicted his absence from school the following day with the strong feeling of him being GONE. So really, it wasn't remote viewing, but a prophetic dream. However, in a sense it was "remote viewing" in the sense that I did see events that were to follow. I was about 8 years old at the time.
When I was about 19 I had another prophetic dream in that it depicted events of the day immediately following, but this time there was actual "remote viewing" involved. (The details of my dream were more accurate and precise than the previous instance.) I dreamt I was in a certain place with certain people and certain events unfolding. It transpired the following day without my planning according to my vision. The details are trivial and unimportant, but what was significant was the foresight. In both cases my dreams depicted events of the following day, yet in the first case the significance of the dream was apparent at the time of the causal factor (death leading to absence). Probably these are best desribed as "prophetic visions", but hey, there are many descriptive terms for various dream states and "out-of-body" experiences. I don't know what causes them, but many explanations have been offered.



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The common trend between lucid dreams, remote viewing, and astral projection, is that they are all utter bullsh!t.

Reference me just one reputable and duplicated scientific study of any of it being true, anywhere, ever.


Pro-tip, you can't.

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stupid point, you cant because there is no way to scietifically capture the moments of lucidity in normal people who report the experience. you cant have a lab setting. but its one of the stupidest mistakes to ignore something or call it inexistant because it cannot be captured in a lab/statistical manner

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