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Would you consider the resurrected to be "deadites"


The people and the animals who come back buried from the Micmac grounds aren't zombies, they are dead corpses possessed by demons or evil spirits and come back as demons who come to torment the living and know secrets about them, sounds almost like deadites right?

And did the Wendigo (a homicidal psychic cannibalistic trickster demon spirit of Native American folklore) that soured the ground possessed Gage, Gus (in the sequel), Harriety's Bull, Timmy etc.?

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In the book wasn't the wendigo a giant creature/beast, someone (main character I think) saw it walk past and their hair turned white with fright

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Yes it was the Wendigo spirit demon that walked past Louis, too bad it was missing from the movie including the mention of it but it was in the original 1986 screenplay before budget changes to have King rewrite the script to have Pascow scaring him instead. You can read the 1986 screenplay online.

Tom Savini was originally gonna do the movie's make-up and creature effects when George Romero was suppose to direct this movie in 1988.

But do you think that creature possessed Gage, the animals, Timmy etc. even Gus in the sequel?

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I havnt seen the sequel but my view was that the wendigo was a seperate creature that inhabits that place and whatever is buried in the pet semetery comes back with a different demon or thing each time as when crandell buries his dog in it as a boy the dog wasn't evil, just sort of dead but alive, I think this is more in the book, when he hugs it it is like hugging a piece of meat.
I know that if it was me though, I would still have taken my dog there and burried it in there. I'm gonna watch it again tonight.....with the lights on of course lol.

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So basically it wasn't just the Wendigo that possesses the corpses but other evil demons/spirits that are minions for the creature that tainted the ground right? afterall like i said the bodies that come back aren't zombies but rather dead bodies possessed by demons as they come back as Demons who are puppets for their master. Well the animals come back ok but for humans it goes bad like Timmy Batterman who didn't harm anyone but harm people with voices to haunt the living.

And do you agree they are like the deadites from Evil Dead?

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Very similar to deadites, just a little slower

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I'm a fan of your theory.

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To a certain extent it's deadite-like. The possessed weren't so much minions or other demons - they were all puppets to the Wendigo. The Wendigo didn't just cause cannibalism, if not indulge in it, it also fed on people's grief and sanity. Like deadites, it is a malicious entity, one that will use the darker aspects of other people and people in general to its advantage. For example, in the novel, after Timmy Baterman was resurrected, he muttered some dark and obscene stuff to Judd and his friends, knowing some of their secrets.

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Kind of redundant calling them 'dead' corpses, don't you think?

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Late response, but whatever:

Iirc it was hinted in the book the wendigo "touches" people, making them go cannibalistic.

so I think there was something wrong with the ground other than the Wendigo as well. The dead came back evil because the sour ground (dont know what was the original source of evil), and the Wendigo touched them making them cannibalistic.

hell iirc there was some floating demonic head thingy Louis saw one time so there is potential with other demons / ghosts.

It was an evil place with all kind of wicked entities around, now whatever the ground going sour brought the Wendigo and the other things, or the Wendigo made the burial ground go bad, I dont know. the Wendigo definitely was portrayed as a major player, but I dont think it could reanimate the dead itself or influence people from far.

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"so I think there was something wrong with the ground other than the Wendigo as well. The dead came back evil because the sour ground (dont know what was the original source of evil), and the Wendigo touched them making them cannibalistic."


The source of the evil stemmed from cannibalized Micmacs that were buried there, which resulted in attracting the Wendigo and making the burial ground its lair.

"there was some floating demonic head thingy Louis saw one time so there is potential with other demons / ghosts."

One possibility is that it's the Wendigo testing Louis' fortitude and f$cking with him. The other interesting possibility, though, is that there isn't just one Wendigo lurking about, that the entire forest and burial ground could be crawling with the f$ckers.

"the Wendigo definitely was portrayed as a major player, but I dont think it could reanimate the dead itself or influence people from far."

It actually could do those things, though. It spoke to Louis as Victor Pascow, manipulated Judd into bringing Louis to the burial ground, even orchestrated the deaths of Church and Gage, all for the sake of the endgame. The cherry on top was Rachel, which helped seal the deal.

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its been a while since I read the book but that brings up some questions..

like Judd had a dog iirc which didnt get turned evil, just a bit "slow".. the Wendigo(s) had no interest in it?

also the time Louis was nearly running into the Wendigo, hearing it move around and see some shadow.. if it was that omnipotent why wouldnt it target Louis and eat/touch him/ whatever? if he had plans with him, why go near him in the first place, just to scare the shít out of him and leave? ..sure it liked to make hints about its evil nature pointlessly..it made the impression its wandering around in the forest looking for a prey.

Why tell Louis to stay away from the burial ground in the form of Pascow? wouldnt it make more sense for it to say "go for it, that place is awesome, and dont forget to recommend it to your friends as well"?

I dont think the place is as strong as you make it out to be, and I think Pascow actually was a nice ghost who wanted to warn Louis. the place influenced Judd to some extend and orchestrated Gages and Churchs death, but I think thats it. and I think the Wendigo and other demons were like maggots crawling on the rotten meat.

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"like Judd had a dog iirc which didnt get turned evil, just a bit "slow".. the Wendigo(s) had no interest in it?"

Judd didn't really have much to offer the Wendigo, not in the past nor present, so it didn't bother with him. He didn't have much to lose - working class job (farmer and railroad worker), no children, just his wife Norma, easy insubstantial pickings. That said, it did save him as a useful tool, just like it had with all who visited the burial ground. (It's hinted that Stanny B. might have been one of the Wendigo's victims; according to the novel his grandfather was a millionaire, a successful pelt trader, but Stanny B., in startling contrast, ended up becoming a crazed, alcoholic bum who died on the road).


"also the time Louis was nearly running into the Wendigo, hearing it move around and see some shadow.. if it was that omnipotent why wouldnt it target Louis and eat/touch him/ whatever? if he had plans with him, why go near him in the first place, just to scare the shít out of him and leave? ..sure it liked to make hints about its evil nature pointlessly..it made the impression its wandering around in the forest looking for a prey."

That's part of its nature. The Wendigo was a malicious and erratic entity, usually associated with cannibalism, vengeance, pride, greed and insanity. In terms of that scene, one possible explanation was that it's simply toying with him. It could be testing his fortitude, but it could also just be waiting for him to slip up, at which point he would in the end have a tasty (though short-term) meal. Another explanation, though, could be that the forest is filled with other Wendigos, thereby explaining the constant flux of movement.


"Why tell Louis to stay away from the burial ground in the form of Pascow? wouldnt it make more sense for it to say "go for it, that place is awesome, and dont forget to recommend it to your friends as well"?"


When Pascow was brought in, he was muttering how the Pet Sematary wasn't the "real" cemetery and stuff about the "soil of a man's heart being stonier", the latter a phrase that Judd himself repeated, even under the Wendigo's influence.
Why would Pascow even warn Louis, a man that he hadn't even met? Why even bring up the burial ground at all for that matter? It's not like Judd said anything to make Louis suspect, nor did Louis have that much interest in the deadfall or what lied beyond. A rather telling clue about Pascow and the entity speaking through him was this line:
"Injuns bring my fish."
It didn't matter how the message or influence was delivered, it was just important that the knowledge of the burial ground itself was implanted into the intended victim's mind, the small seed for what would be a potential garden that would eventually be harvested. The burial ground is the Wendigo's hunting ground, a gaping net that lures in its "fish" - the troubled, grief-stricken souls who wander through. Pascow was just a tool like Judd, in his case a beguiling persona that it adorned to put things into motion.
Now, to what end?
In mythology, the Wendigo is generally a being cursed with insatiable hunger, each meal resulting in its increasingly growing appetite and size. King's version, though, seems to have more advanced telepathic capabilities, allowing it to not only control and speak through its meat puppets, but to also actively influence peoples' behavior. It also feeds off from people's grief and sanity (not sure if this was also a feature within some of the other versions of the legend or if this was entirely King's own). It's hard to say as to whether the Wendigo's age and advanced level of development allowed it access to these abilities or if it had always had access to them. Going back to Judd, the reason why the Wendigo didn't claim him immediately was because he didn't offer anything. Oh, sure, he had Norma, but she was easy pickings, an appetizer before the main course. Louis, however, was a happy, successful doctor with a wife and two kids, a dreamer (constantly fantasizing about getting away to work at Disneyland and about Gage; in fact, he's obsessed with Gage more than Ellie, so much so that he didn't even bother to console her during her time of need.) and something of a punk (he identifies himself with Church before it had been castrated) - a grade A gourmet feast ripe for the taking. The Wendigo COULD have claimed Louis right then and there, but it would only be a temporary morsel to a much greater, longer-lasting meal. Grief and sanity were the currencies that it valued, and its power had increased tenfold since Pascow's death. It multiplied even further with Church and Gage's, allowing for that sideshow Louis had to endure with his father-in-law, even to the point of affecting those outside of Louis' family. Near the end of the novel, Steve Masterton noted that the year was a disaster for him and his colleagues; Surrendra's relatives were arrested outside the country, one or both killed in the process, the nurse Charlton also experiencing grief due to her mother's operation, and four of Steve's family members were killed. Steve nearly becomes another victim of the Wendigo, even dreamed that "something huge with foghorn lights for eyes" reached out to "touch him" but had withdrawn its hand at the very last second.

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