Irony with Graham


Archie Graham always regretted never getting an at-bat. Though he did finally get his chance to hit at the end of the film, he still never got an at-bat, since he hit a sac-fly! Oh well, at least he got a plate appearance.

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The sac fly rule was not always a rule. For example in 1941 when Ted Williams hit .406 you were still charged with an AB when hitting a sac fly. Had te rule been in place at that time he would've hit .411.


He's taking the knife out of the Cheese!
Do you think he wants some cheese?


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Irrelevant. Doc Graham never said anything about an "at-bat".

He said he wanted the chance to stare down a big league pitcher, and wink at him. Then his "dream" scenario elaborates. He wishes he at least got to have a go verse a major league player. At ray's field he does.

You failed at following dialogue and tried to school an air tight plot point with your irrelevant knowledge of baseball.

In this case, a mis-applied failure.

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Yeah

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If you know baseball, then you know that the OP's posting was actually kinda interesting. It made me go, "that's true!"

Thanks OP.

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You're right...snarky, but right. Except after he said that, he went on....

I never got to bat in the major leagues. I'd have liked the chance -- just once -- to stare down a big league pitcher.
Stare him down and then just as he goes into the windup -- wink! Make him wonder if I know something he doesn't.
That's what I wish for. The chance to squint my eyes when the sky is so blue it hurts to look at it, and to feel the 'tingle that runs up your arms when you connect dead-on.
The chance to run the bases, stretch a double to a triple, and flop face-first into third, wrapping my arm around the bag.
That's my wish, Ray Kinsella... that's my wish.

So his wish wasn't exactly as he envisioned....



Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?

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My whole thing with his plate appearance is he still didn't get his wish. He got to the plate but he didn't hit a triple.





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Can somebody with a keen interest in baseball - as distinct from my working knowledge at best (although I have watched the whole of Ken Burns' `Baseball') - explain what a sac-fly is.

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Well a sacrifice in general is risking your life to save someone else, right? Well in baseball a sacrifice fly is when you hit a fly ball, it is caught (getting you out), but a runner advances. In the case of Field of Dreams, Graham hit a fly ball, it was caught (he's out) but the runner on third tagged up and scored.






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Many thanks. Good explanation.

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Yeah, I think that's the whole point about him having a sac fly in that situation. This way he gets to face a big league pitcher but technically he still never had an at bat in the big leagues.

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Yeah, I think that's the whole point about him having a sac fly in that situation. This way he gets to face a big league pitcher but technically he still never had an at bat in the big leagues.

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He hits a sacrifice fly because he sacrifices his baseball dreams to become a doctor, not just once in in early life, but a second time to save Karin. And the second time he does know that if he crosses the line that he gives up becoming a baseball player, yet he does so anyway, knowing that what matters most in the end is being a doctor. His single time at bat foreshadows that choice.

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He hits a sacrifice fly because he sacrifices his baseball dreams to become a doctor, not just once in in early life, but a second time to save Karin. And the second time he does know that if he crosses the line that he gives up becoming a baseball player, yet he does so anyway, knowing that what matters most in the end is being a doctor.


Boom. There it is.

My thought originally was that if he hit the triple he dreamed and told Ray about (the most exciting play in baseball), it would have been a bit too corny in what was a film that skated close to the corny edge, so I figured they simply did something else.

But yes, Doc Graham was a man who sacrificed many things but did so with no regrets (is words). Hitting that sacrifice fly was right in his character makeup. Great observation.

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I realize that this is an old post (and I really like Owlwise's post above mine, explaining the symbolism of this), but I used to be a really huge fan of MLB (back when this post was originally written) and am not now.

One of the things that I don't like about how MLB is being played in recent years is the lesser importance placed on "small ball," which includes things like bunting, stealing bases, moving runners over, sac flies, etc. From what little I've seen of MLB in recent years, it doesn't matter where a guy hits in the order...if there's a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs, the hitter's swinging for the fences. Even with 2 strikes, instead of trying to make contact, they're still taking these huge swings, trying to hit the ball 500+ feet. I really miss how the game used to be played. Sometimes, you have to sacrifice your personal stats to do what's best for the team, but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore at the MLB level. I think the huge $$$ contracts that players get anymore is to blame for a large part of it. πŸ˜₯

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It's the metrics the front offices are using.

I didn't start playing any ball until I was 40 (softball), and hardball in an over-38 league when I was 58 (the first time in my life I saw a baseball thrown overhand). Needless to say, I was over matched more than a few times having never played even little league ball. So I got by on my wits. I watched the pitchers and looked for any predictability (like a first pitch fastball or second pitch slider on the outside corner on a 0-1 count) that I might be able to exploit. In the four years I played/subbed, my average was just over .260. I've played less than 40 baseball games in my entire life.

I mention all of that because I knew when to try to make contact or hit behind the runner. Two strikes? Pure defense mode just looking to make contact. I had four home runs in about 100 plate appearances, all "ambushes". Pitchers that would throw a fastball for strike on the first pitch. There was another guy I ambushed for a home run because when he threw his change-up, he led with his elbow (Pedro Martinez he wasn't). There's a time and a place for swinging for the seats, but it isn't every at bat..

So in today's game, there are too many "launch angle" hitters. Every good team needs three or so good thumpers, but you need what I call "tough outs". Guys who can work the count, foul off tough pitches, and punch the ball through the infield. These are the types of hitters that do better against "aces".

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I agree completely. Just about all the MLB front offices have bought into the sabermetrics stuff and, while there are a couple of things I like about sabermetrics, there are a lot of things about it that I don't (like the launch angle that you mentioned... I'll take a flare that lands just over the shortstop's glove over a rocket line drive right into the centerfielder's glove).

When I was growing up, MLB was still very popular...right up there with the NFL and NBA in viewership. However, its popularity has really waned in recent years. I remember hownos, when he used to post here, used to call MLB a "niche sport" and I sadly think he was right. In my boys' school district, I'd put baseball behind football, track & field, basketball, and soccer in popularity. Kids today here in the U.S. don't grow up playing baseball like it used to be.

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It's true. I see baseball even contracting in 25 years or more (team count staying static with population increases is pretty much like contraction), and may become more a east coast sport the way it was 100 years ago. It will never fall below soccer in the U.S. but it will fall well behind the NFL.

I grew up in the 60s, and baseball was a great way to spend 2.5 hours. Today it's too much strikeouts and home runs.

But I will say that although I'm a traditionalist, the pitch clock was a revelation. The pitch clock took over 30 minutes of scrotum scratching, strolls after every pitch, slow motion practice swings - stuff everyone hated.

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Yes, I agree (again) about the pitch clock. That's one of the very few things MLB has gotten right in recent years. The 4+ hours of 9-inning games was ridiculous Yes, I'm thinking "Yankees vs Red Sox" πŸ˜€).

I also think you're right about the regional/coastal popularity of the game and future contraction. It's too bad...one of my biggest pet peeves is the stubbornness of MLB to keep insisting on having their World Series games be night games. No wonder it's a declining sport among the youth, when the first pitch isn't thrown until around 8:30 P.M. The average kid may get to watch 2-3 innings before they have to go to bed. Unfortunately, I don't see baseball ever experiencing a "resurgence" in popularity.

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...one of my biggest pet peeves is the stubbornness of MLB to keep insisting on having their World Series games be night games.


YES! I've also said that for years. I remember becoming a baseball fan when we used to run home from school to watch the WS on TV (broadcast networks then..). It would be the third inning by then because the games started before we got out of school, and I remember the principal of the school sometimes putting the radio broadcast on the PA for the last half hour of school.

Neither of my two sons ever saw a WS game or more than the start of it when they were small because the games started after 8 and ran into the next morning. Even though I grew up a baseball fan, I stopped watching the WS because I knew I had to be in bed by 10 to get to work the next day and by 10 they might be in the fourth inning. Neither of my sons were baseball fans as kids (NFL), but almost contradictory, both now have become fans of the game but still are bigger fans of football.

But yes, MLB traded better ratings for night games vs day games for long term loss of young people getting into the game.

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