I keep seeing posts that make it sound like Neil was trying to drop out of school and pursue a career in Hollywood. He was participating in a small community play, one play. He had a perfect academic record and was still well on track to becoming the doctor his father always wanted him to be. Plenty of people are capable of balancing hobbies and an academic career. His father who had the best intentions was smothering him with rules and regulations that had Neil never questioned his authority would have ultimately led to the guy being extremely burnt out. People need to be well rounded all work and no play makes for far more the a dull boy, it is extremely bad for people's mental health. There was nothing wrong with Neil participating in one extracurricular activity.
Was Neil's father evil no, the guy came from a very different time and only wanted the best for his son. But, he went about it in a horrible constricting and controlling way. Neil didn't commit suicide because he couldn't be an actor he committed suicide because his father's restrictions had led to a depressive state that led Neil to thinking their was no way out. Keating was encouraging the kids to think for themselves not to fly off on wild dreams. He wanted them to be passionate about their lives and the world around them, which in the long run would have helped their careers as lawyers, doctors, and bankers. Neil was a product of the world he had grown-up in not Keating's teachings.
Its something you'll get used to a mental mind *beep* can be nice!
There is a huge difference between Neil participating in some plays while at college and med school, or during summer breaks (clearly the kind of thing that he and Mr. Keating were envisioning) and Neil dropping everything to become an actor.
You make good points, but your main point is flawed. I don't agree that the acting thing was just a hobby for Neil. Clearly it's what drives him. If it was nothing more than an extracurricular afterschool activity, he wouldn't go to such great lengths to lie to his father, knowing what the repercussions would be. I do agree with you, however, that "not being able to act" is not why Neil took his own life. There are deeper scars there and I believe he did feel there was no way out of that depressing existence. But I think that downplaying Neil's love of acting and passing it off as a passing fancy is the wrong way to look at it.
I don't see it as a passing fancy, or even unimportant. I just don't see Neil dropping everything else to run off and become an actor.
Neil is a very serious, responsible, and hard working person - and he has found a wonderful creative outlet in theater. Having such an outlet is part of leading a balanced life. Neil is still earning "A"s in all of his classes, and is still preparing for the college plans his family has for him.
A modern college admissions panel would want Neil to have some extracurricular activity like drama, to show that he is a well rounded human being, and not just a machine.
I used to be heavily involved in community theater. While I was a student at the time, I worked on shows side by side with bank managers, Doctors, lawyers, teachers, and people from many other professions.
Neil:"How can you stand it?" Keating: "Stand what?" Neil: "You can go anywhere, do anything, how can you stand being here?!" Keating: "Because I love teaching, I don't want to be anywhere else" Neil:"I just talked to my father, he's making me quit the play at Henley Hall. Acting is everything to me but he doesn't know. I can see his point, we're not a rich family like Charlie's but he's planning the rest of my life for me and he's never asked me what I want!"
Becoming a Doctor is not what Neil wanted, it's what his father wanted for him. The only reason he is at that school is to give him the best chance of succeeding (by his father's standards) we are never given any indication that Neil actually wants to be a doctor.
From that short talk with Keating it suggests that Neil would love to pursue acting full time.
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That is the thing. Neil's dad was controlling his life. Remember at the beginning when he tells Neil to drop the school annum because he is taking too many extracurricular activities? If he had let Neil choose which one to drop, that would've been different, but he chose for him, as though Neil had no mind of his own. That seems to be the whole policy of the school-as though these kids can't think for themselves, although they are not little kids. Keating was trying to show them that they should think for themselves and determine what they want to be in life, even if it is being a doctor or lawyer.
That's the point. He felt that his dad was not going to accept him trying the acting and would do anything to prevent it. So since his dad killed his dream, he felt he had to kill his dad's dream of being a doctor. Now, the thing is, Keating did tell him to stand up for himself, but he felt he wasn't able to.
Neil's father didn't "want the best for his son," and "coming from a very different time" had nothing to do with his shameful and destructive parenting. He was a controlling and emotionally abusive tyrant (something found in every generation) who sucked the joy and hope out of his son and finally broke his spirit. When you truly want the best for a son, especially one on the verge of adulthood, you help him to become his own person, make his own choices (and mistakes), and pursue his own dreams. You can encourage, guide, and (carefully) advise, but if you demand, dictate, and suffocate, a parent will do more harm than good and risks losing the child one way or another. (The so-called "helicopter parents" of today will also discover this someday.) Most of all, you want your child to be happy regardless of whether or not you agree with his choices and pursuits, and Neil was happy being in the play and trying his hand at acting -- and let's not forget he was very good at it too. To say that tyrants and bullies have "good intentions" is absurd to the point of being laughable. And for your information, acting is also a profession in which one can find happiness, fulfillment, and yes, even financial success, and I assure you that to those who seriously pursue it, it's much more than just a "hobby." Would you ever say that being a lawyer, doctor or banker is a "hobby"? Of course not. Yet you think nothing of categorizing the acting profession as such. Personally, most actors I've known are much happier with their choices and their lives than the lawyers, doctors and bankers I've known. They pursued their dreams regardless of the naysayers and discouragers, and if you think that doesn't take a freakishly big pair, think again. Many of the lawyers, doctors, and bankers I've encountered act and look like they're badly in need of a laxative.
Neil didn't kill himself, his father did, and his ineffectual and subservient mother was an accessory. Neil would have continued to live and even thrive if his father had said just one sentence to him after the play: "You did a great job, Neil, and I'm proud of you!" And imagine the magic that would have been brought forth if he had said, "I'm sorry, son, I was wrong." Instead, his final dictate and demand to Neil was the last straw. Neil's father was thinking only of Neil's father, not "wanting the best for his son." The father continued to show what a stand-up guy he was by making sure that Mr. Keating was scapegoated and blamed for Neil's death! (Did he also "want the best" for Mr. Keating?)
An aside: I very much hope that someday your screen moniker becomes a reality and you do indeed find yourself on Easy Street, but first you must rigidly follow these guidelines: do exactly what your father demands; don't think for yourself or pursue your own dreams; don't have any outside interests and enjoyments other than those your father tells you to have; and above all else, never, ever take up the foolish "hobby" of acting! No good will come of it! Then and only then will you find yourself on Easy Street. After all, Neil followed these guidelines and look at the happy direction his life took! Good luck and let us know your future address. Until then, you should remind yourself of your goal by periodically listening to the tune below, which begins two and a half minutes into the clip.
Also, you might want to check out the town of Carefree, Arizona (yes, a real town) which actually has an "Easy Street." So, if you don't end up on "Easy Street" figuratively, you could reside on it literally. Most importantly, never forget the message I once received in a fortune cookie whilst dining at Mr. Chow on Camden: "There are often many bumps on the road to Easy Street." So true, especially if one pursues acting, but the rewards are more than worth it.
I was not the least bit surprised when Neil's mother was shown smoking. Married to a man like that, she probably also drank more than was good for her.
You seem to put the blame squarely on the father. I don't think any parent is really so bad he does not want the best for his child(except reluctant parents). Let us review the relationship between Neil and his father. Neil was a timid sort of guy by nature,unlike Charlie. He did not stand up to his father but that does not make him justified in his actions. Yes! His father wanted him to concentrate on studies more but if extracurriculars meant so much to him,he would've found some way to get that across and reach a compromise. But Neil took no steps to make himself understood. He was unsure about himself and his father,looking at his very nature,would've been convinced that acting or editing was just a phase he would grow out of.to add fuel to the fire, he possibly forges his own father's signature and enters a play. If I were a father, I would not be thinking of my son's acting skills after this. Furthermore,there hasn't been any hint that he has been banned before.It takes something to be chief editor. Maybe he felt as a,senior,Neil needed more time for studies. Thus,whether you accept it or not, Neil was both a liar and a coward. He was responsible for his own problems(I still very much doubt his father meant pulling him out of school as more than an idle threat;honestly,it would just be simpler to tell Nolan to ban him from further activities) and when his little house of lies came crashing down,he chose the cowardly way out. Beyond a certain point,you can stop blaming upbringing. Neil was old enough to know the right and wrong of what he did.
Though killing yourself is weak etc. you make it sound like you lived that life. I know kids were strick parents like that and they rebel and drink , and have gone off the deep end to rebel. Neil didn't do this. He was getting all A's . He was gonna graduate and get honors plus go to a good college and graduate there too while maybe studying the theater and giving acting a try in the summer. Maybe in the end become a theater professor . His dad was a jerk and was part of the reason of his death. You can't live through your kid that is also being a coward.
He wasn't a coward. He was crushed by his father's overbearing, you'll-do-what-I-say approach to life from the moment he was born. Not a coward, but a desperately trapped young men who's first experience of personal joy & authenticity was immediately squashed by his father. Suicides born of despair are a mistake to be sure, but when you're that low & crushed you can't think of anything but escaping the anguish. Neil's father was so obsessed with living out his own thwarted dreams through his son that he never saw his son as an individual human being. And so he was indeed responsible for Neil's problems. In fact, he was Neil's problem.
Neil's dad just wanted the best for him, even though he may have it expressed it poorly. The truth is, most "professional" actors are actually waiters. Some may find the tradeoff worthwhile, but it's not clear that most do. And medical school does require a major commitment, with little time for EC's.
Bottom line, Neil's dad didn't kill Neil, Neil killed Neil. With little basis. Dad wanted him to stop acting while in high school? Okay, wait two years, graduate from high school, and then do whatever you want as an adult.
You can't expect your parents to always underwrite every goofy dream you have. Might be nice if they did (though sometimes it would simply be bad parenting). But it's certainly no reason to kill yourself. Incredibly childish attitude for anyone to take, and ruined the (already weak) movie for me.
Neil didn't expect his father to underwrite his dream. He just wanted to have some measure of personal choice in his own life. Maybe he wouldn't have succeeded as an actor, who knows? But at least he'd have been able to give it his all.
And Neil's father didn't want to best for his son, he wanted to live out his own thwarted dreams through his son. He couldn't admit that to himself, so of course he was convinced that he was doing it all for Neil. But he was always doing it for his own emotional needs, without once considering Neil's own needs.
If you want answers to these questions, just read Dara Mark's "INSIDE STORY" for a complete analysis. She admires this script as an example of Subject (Manhood), Thematic Point-of-View (Seize the Day, TAKE control of your life), Plot or External Goal (Value the individual) and Subplot or Internal Goal (Be true to your nature). I just met Tom Schulman at the Virginia Film Festival screening of this film yesterday. This film is a classic thanks to Mr. Schulman's script.
Just saw it for the first time since way back when. Raised my vote from a 4 to a 7. Decent enough story. Years ago, I didn't buy Robin Williams as an actor and thought the poetry was just a bunch of platitudes. This time I just enjoyed the story.
Neil's father also thought that acting was for fags and that it would turn his son into a *beep* or something. If Neil wanted to play baseball or box or something like that, I can't see him being quite as vehemently against it.
I agree with the OP. I never saw Neil's father as evil. He meant well; he wanted his son to go on to great things. Nothing inherently wrong with that; we parents all want to see our kids do well and succeed. It's implied that the family is not well-to-do (more like reasonably middle class) and that Neil's parents have poured not only their financial resources but their family hopes and dreams into Neil, in the hopes of ensuring his success.
Therein lies the problem -- the father's methodology is horribly misguided. It's drummed into Neil constantly that his parents have made tremendous sacrifices to get him into the school, so he'd better not let them down. Thus there's been a huge layer of guilt on top of him for most of his life, both for every little mistake he's made as a kid up to that point (a grade not quite as high as it might have been, etc.) and for any mistakes he might make down the road that would put the "family dream" of higher status and success in jeopardy. He's an only child carrying that guilt and those expectations, so it's basically all on him -- his father has blatantly told Neil that he, and he alone, is the family's hope for something better, and that to attain that "something better" he's GOING to go to Harvard, and he's GOING to be a doctor. Period. And along the way, his father exercises micro-managerial control over every aspect of his life, brooking no opposition or word of objection; to him, any deviation from the path he's set for Neil is a potential risk to the "family dream". Neil calls him "sir", stands bolt upright when his father speaks to him... hell, he all but salutes him.
Keating didn't tell Neil to run away or to throw all that aside, or even to defy his father (Neil had already done that by writing a fake permission letter, before Keating knew he was in the play). His advice was that he should talk to his father, express his passion for acting, and ask fervently for his permission. Neil did this, his father relented momentarily (probably since the play was the following night and thus there would be no ongoing impact on Neil's studies), and then reasserted his control. Neil ended things because he felt hopeless and could see no way out of the prison his parents had built for him.
Revenge is a dish best served cold. -- Klingon proverb