Has not aged well.


This is a movie I have not seen for a few years. I remember quite enjoying it so when a the R1 SE came out I bought it.

Just watched it...and for me this is one of those movies that comes from Ridley's 'style over substance/dumb action movie' period, such as films like Someone To Watch Over Me and GI Jane.

Though it seemed ok back then, the concept of a hard-nosed, motorbike-riding, official-hating cop constantly under investigation by internal affairs, divorced and with money problems is very dated now.

Also dated is the stranger in a strange land/fish out of water aspect, and the buddy pairing of Douglas and Garcia, with Garcia as such a likeable character you just know he is not going to last until the end of the movie.

I can't say it's a bad film, but the conventions have been seen in countless movie since and are now cliches.

And boy, did Ridley love his smoke filled rooms, blue lighting and cityscape vistas.

Oh, and talking of cliches...why do all western made movies set in Japan, despite picturing people getting on planes and actually flying to Japan, and having a caption on screen telling them where they are, have to have that plinky-plink music just to hit the point home? It's like this is Japan...another country...not America, ok got it? No? OK, then we will have to play even more plinky-plink music... (I don't know what the instrument is, someone on here will know the name I am sure).

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Such a pity they decided to make a formula maverick cop picture. It could have been so much more.

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as a whole its a pretty bad movie, but sliced apart, there are some pretty brilliant scenes in it (the finger cutting scene is pretty good, andy garcia's execution looks amazing, etc, etc), but they dont match together as well as they probably should, too many things in it lack originality, every single character in it for starters, making it an unbereable watch for anyone

the movie never gained substancial praise or any type of cult following to make a directors cut version (unlike Legend, for example), its just one of Scott's bad movies all in all, lets just hope american ganster doesnt come up like black rain

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I don't really see what you guys are talking about. Though everyone is entitled to their opinion and I'll respect that I feel the film has aged wonderfully. I think it's easily one of Scott's best movies even though he's no Tony Scott. But everything from the performances to Zimmers music and the locations are outstanding. This and year of the dragon are two of my favorite cop movies. I picked up the SE DVD recently and was surprised that the bonus features were not fluffy EPK stuff were all used to. Outstanding DVD for an outstanding movie.

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That's an interesting comment - 'he's no Tony Scott'. Considering Ridley's canon consists of Alien, Blade Runner, Legend, Thelma and Louise, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, to cherry pick his enduring classics (Black Hawk Down will become a classic), Tony has to his name Top Gun, True Romance, Enemy of the State, Spy Game, Man On Fire, which while excellent films, and ones I enjoyed greatly, don't (with the exception of True Romance) fall into the same cult category as Ridley's films.

Sure, they've both had their downs as well as their ups (GI Jane, The Fan, etc), but Ridley comes out on top overall with regards to style and enduring filmic quality. It comes as no surprise that Ridley is my favourite director, and while I don't dislike Tony, I see his films as being generally inferior.

I just bought the SE of Black Rain and have it to look forward to, but given Ridley Scott's other DVDs, it should be excellent. Kingdom of Heaven was a stunningly presented DVD - from the box, artwork, extra features, and the presentation of the feature itself, with overture and intermission orchestration. A real treat. Here's hoping the long-awaited Blade Runner DVD is like these ones!

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Ditto. I wish Kate Capshaw would have taken some clothes off!

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Just some? How about all the clothes!

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Everyone has opinions of what aged well and didn't. I disagree with everyone. I've seen a lot of movies from 2004-2007 and most of them stank. When a collector's DVD came out, I grabbed it and did those memories come back! It still stands out among one of the best cop films around. I believe it's because of Ridley Scott's masterful use of lighting and the camera angles. The background music is the best I've heard in a movie. It clearly fits well and the movie wouldn't be memorable without the score. This is Scott at his best. Let's see Luc Besson or Martin Scorsese try to make a movie about the macho Yankee cop trying to catch the bad guys in a foreign country. I've seen a few films with that theme and only Black Rain was memorable.

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I agree with you deep rising!! These guys don't know what they are talking about! I must have asked about ten people I work with if they like this movie and all of them think its quality

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I find this movie to be excellent. I have watched everything imaginable that was mentioned and I still rate this a top movie.

Yet, again another of Tom Cruises movies has to be mentioned. "Legend", was
lukewarm.
Maybe I am missing the point here, but to compare Legend over BR is just ridiculous.

I also think that it's just a matter of taste of what people find in a movie to call it bad.

I did buy the DVD and I have seen it over again. It's just a really good movie.

Back in 89' when it came out, I didn't even know that this movie existed.

I just caught it on cable in 1999. Now that's some time difference.

My husband had seen it back then and was surprised that I never knew about it.

I liked the combination of A Garcia, M.Douglas and that Japanese fellow detective.

Massimotto, or whatever that man's name was, played in 1 or 2 movies with Robert Mitchem. I remember that. That's my first time being exposed to this fellows acting. It was also a movie taken in the US and not in Japan.

So whatever you all think is crap, should take a back seat to what is showing now.

Michael Beighn, could never of pulled off the main character like MD.

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Dead wrong. Go watch replacment killers if you want a bad film.

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Hello all,

Just wanted to say that 'Black Rain' is one of my highest rated movies, with loads of subtexts beyond the basic premise of the movie! I always enjoy watching it!

regards...D!

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I can't help but agree. Also, it has a rather distasteful racist undertow.

From what we are to gather from Black Rain is that all Japanese people are either psychotic sadists or automatons unable to think for themselves. Few, good job some plucky Americans turn up with their 'lots make up the rules as we go' approach; or the crimes will never be solved.

See what I mean.

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I have to disagree with this post.. I think for what it is this film has aged remarkably well... Yes the light may look dark, but that is a creative choice. The contrast is amazingly well balanced and De Bont has always lit films in this same way and Ridley has always looked for the same - Dark darks, bright lights and a balance between them covering the rest of the set.. This is the reason he uses a lot of smoke and fog as it helps balance the light and create a 3 dimensional setting and atmosphere with it... And that is just the lighting... In terms of the edit, it's very well paced and a lot of action movies today could learn a lot from its pacing and story structure - It never attempted to be something it is not. Yes the story and characters are not that original "anymore" but what do you expect from this type of film? It is meant to be that simple... But when you add the direction and performances that are in this film you end up getting that simplicity but with "class". Just because it is a cop thriller played out as an action movie doesn't mean it is a bad film... With the exception of a few gaffs here and there (as you get in every single film) I don't think this particular film could've been made any better.

"Forgiveness is between them and God... It's my job to arrange the meeting"

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This is a pretty good...you people are delusional.

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I think it's a great film. I also think that, depsite Michael Douglas' mullet, it has aged remarkably well.

Yes there is a racist subtext in several parts. Nick's early comment about nips is quite painful (as is the karaoke scene, but that's something else entirely) when you're not in the mood for casual/comedy racism. Still, in the context of the film (American maverick goes to Japan, teaches Japanese buddy to break the law), it tends to work.

At the film's heart, it's 80s Action. Very glossy 80s Action; it is brilliantly shot and the viiolence is done with style - just like his broter in The Last Boy Scout, Ridley makes every death count, with lots of truly glorious squibs.

Also, it should be noted that I think this is one of Hans Zimmer's best scores; you can hear a lot of it in True Romance years later, and also more I'm sure.

Anyway, a fantastic film.

"Give a guy a gun he thinks he's Superman, give him two he thinks he's God!"

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You're an idiot.


"'Dumb action movie' period?" You're not even naming films that share the same decade. Most of these 'stereotypes' you've so wisely articulated are present from long past straight into today's films, making your vague and insubstantial point really a waste of breath.

What exactly is your problem with cityscape vistas? Seriously.. does everyone on earth need to stand up and feel intelligent for a moment? If so, try to find a subject beyond the fundamentally permanent. Cityscape vistas rock. Check out the ending of Babel.

Music is used to develop and entice a mood. Hence, when we hear it in a film, it generally tends to be a variety of music that evokes feelings or thoughts of the subject at hand. Perhaps we'll all just suffer this idiotic tendancy until we're fortunate enough for you to replace Hans Zimmer, huh?

Films will always be clichés, to some extent. They're recreations of that which we see and feel in life; since you're so above it all, perhaps you should just end yours.

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You're an idiot.


"'Dumb action movie' period?" You're not even naming films that share the same decade. Most of these 'stereotypes' you've so wisely articulated are present from long past straight into today's films, making your vague and insubstantial point really a waste of breath.

What exactly is your problem with cityscape vistas? Seriously.. does everyone on earth need to stand up and feel intelligent for a moment? If so, try to find a subject beyond the fundamentally permanent. Cityscape vistas rock. Check out the ending of Babel.

Music is used to develop and entice a mood. Hence, when we hear it in a film, it generally tends to be a variety of music that evokes feelings or thoughts of the subject at hand. Perhaps we'll all just suffer this idiotic tendancy until we're fortunate enough for you to replace Hans Zimmer, huh?

Films will always be clichés, to some extent. They're recreations of that which we see and feel in life; since you're so above it all, perhaps you should just end yours.

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Sorry, I only read the first couple of posts (too lazy)

But for me, this film has aged quite well. I can see where the original poster thinks that some of the aspects of this film have become so "cliched" by modern times. But does that mean you should shoot down the original? If it wasn't such a cliche at the time of this movies release, then the movie shouldn't take blame for everyone else in hollywood copying it's styles.

The reason I say this movie has aged well, in my opinion of course, is that I only recently (within the last couple of years) saw this film, for the first time. I thought it was quite a well done and entertaining movie, and I was surprised as: A. I don't have alot of respect for these types of films from this time era, and B. I'm not a big Mike Douglas fan. But this film was surprising really good to me and very entertaining. So I say it has aged well, I remember when watching it, I thought that it was still a rather new movie, and wondered how it passed my radar (except Mr. Douglas looking so young kinda tipped me off). And I was surprised to find out how old this movie was. I guess it was the clothing many of the characters wore didn't seem overly dated.

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I think most people would agree that other than the opening and closing cheesy-80's rock tunes, the movie has aged very well. What more do you people want? It's a great-looking movie with a strong story and truly wonderful ending.

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I really thought this movie was outstanding. Of course the whole formula thing about the maverick cop out of water has been done before, but it has never been done this good. I would rank this as one of the best shot and acted films of 1989 and it still holds up today.

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It is a little outdated, or a little over the top, especially when it comes to the view of how Japan's big city police officers are. They're not all by the book as the movie makes them out to be. In fact, there are probably cops that are just like Douglas' character. Also, there are those that are corrupt, and others that are more rougher (meaning they're willing to beat up suspects and witnesses to get them to confess or get information).

As for the Yakuza, they would have either killed, or hospitalized Douglas, as soon as they heard he was sniffing around in their business. If they're bold enough to shoot a mayor in public, then taking out a New York cop on their own turf wouldn't be a big deal. Also, they would have taken out Sato themselves, rather than have Douglas do it.

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Well, MR. "nbtana"

My thoughts excactly on the Yakuza, I'm a big fan of them.
Did you see WAR?

Anyways, It's like this

To properly enjoy this Classic "80's STYLE COP FLICK" (a forgotten genre), one must watch it with four simple 'make believe rules' that aply in this 'make believe Tokyo' in this 'make believe world'.

1)The Yakuza runs Tokyo and therefore owns the cops.
2)The Yakuza asked for permission to kill "NICK" but they said, "Are you crazy, Do you remember how this country got Black Rain to begin with."
-So they just killed the minority cop cause they know the American's wouldn't make a big fuss about that.
3)The cops had to play it off and pretend they're not on the payroll of The Yakuza cause they wanted to look better than American Police,
-they obviously don't know that American Police are under payroll also.
4)The Yakuza didn't want to kill Sato because of the "Plate".

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I probably should have mentioned that I did enjoy watching the movie. As you have mentioned, it is the "80's style cop flick" that's suppose to just entertain, much like 48 Hours or Lethal Weapon. You're not really suppose to think too much about the plausability of the plot, or certain scenes. Just, basically sit back and enjoy the atmosphere and the action. I hope I don't sound too picky, but it actually takes place in Osaka.

I have seen WAR, and it was kind of entertaining, but distracting that the Japanese was so bad. The only one who could really speak the language was Ishibashi Ryo, who was pretty much the highlight of the movie for me. He's good at playing Yakuza tough guys, such as in Kids Return and Brother.

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RED HEAT?

TURNER & HOOCH?

WITNESS?

Are they "in" as classic "80's style cop flicks"?

I want to make a colection of:

ACTORS in they're best performances as COPS.



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I guess you can also add:

Die Hard
Beverly Hills Cop
Raw Deal
Cobra
Running Scared (1986)
Midnight Run

If you want to include the small screen/TV:

Miami Vice
Crime Story
Hill Street Blues
Hunter
Cagney and Lacey

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I forgot about the Billy Crystal one




The Presidio
Blue Steel

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Some more

48 Hrs
The Last Boy Scout
Above the Law
Wanted: Dead or Alive (1987, with Rutger Hauer)

Anyway, again: great film with fantastic action and beautiful Blade Runner-esque visuals.

"Fu*k! Why can't I ever say what I really mean?"

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I'm afraid that's just the way things are gonna be from this point on.
CGI ruined everything.

My favorite "action packed" cop movies was RED HEAT and the LETHAL WEAPON's.
(many others too, but I don't wanna get into it)

The "drama" cop thrillers were also good, like THE PRESIODIO and BLACK RAIN where the cop was usually all pissed off and "going against the grain" like Dirty Harry and Popeye Doyle (just to mention a few)

THE BORDER with "Jack" was also good and full of real type emotion.

I loved those "old school" cop movies.

SO FAR, these are my DVD cop movies I own.

BLACK RAIN
JENNIFER EIGHT
48 HOURS
RED HEAT
THE BORDER
BLUE STEEL
THE PRESIDIO
COPYCAT (90's)
SEVEN (90's)
ERASER 90's)
SHOOT TO KILL
POINT BREAK

I need a lot more.

The rest of my cop movies that were made back in the days like BLADERUNNER and THE FIRST POWER (just to name a few) are in my other genre sections of the house.

You have to look real hard to find "old school" type cop movies made today. Most of them are Micheal Bay, Jerry Bruckenhiemer stuff.

SIN CITY is one of my few "new age" cop movie favorites.

Keep looking for "old school" cop movies.
They're priceless.


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It is a little outdated, or a little over the top, especially when it comes to the view of how Japan's big city police officers are

Actually japanese police are about as opposite of Douglas' character as you can get - Takakura Ken's depiction is spot on (outside the Rambo and karaoke scenes)

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I think Douglas' character isn't a typical detective in NYC either. There are a lot of Japanese police officers that are like Takakura Ken's character, but there are quite a few that aren't.

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Classic cop movies. Black rain. Point break. Die hard. Lethel weapon, red heat. Beverley hills cop. Robocop. Stakeout. Tango and cash

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You had me until "Tango and Cash," unless you meant it in a "so bad it's good" kind of way. But your free to like it either way. To me, Black Rain is in a whole other league than most 80's cop movies to the point where I don't even lump it in with the rest of 'em. Most cop movies provide mindless entertainment, while Black Rain is actually a pretty thoughtful story, directed by one of the greatest directors of all time.

Someone else mentioned that there's no good 80's style buddy-cop movies anymore. I agree. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Rush Hour movies are the only ones that really qualify, and imo the first two were actually pretty entertaining. Haven't seen the third one, however.

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I think it aged very well, one of the most beautiful movies i have seen. As most of ridley scott's film it suffers from a sort of weak screenplay, but as always his directing and the fantastic art direction more than compensates this flaw. They dont make movies like this anymore, what a shame.

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John Morley what planet are you on this film is awesome!!!! Nearly 20 years on and its still a classic!!!

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