Grace was shallow

I'm a larger sized girl myself and I have had big guys hit on me. and no being shallow isn't limited to good looking people I have known plenty of unattractive people who were shallow.

Hm...I think you have a point, but I don't think it applies to everyone. I'm a "big girl" and most of the guys I've slept with/etc. have been average generally with a few really standout features (usually eyes). But I've also been quite attracted to some guys who are overweight and funny enough, didn't get anywhere with them. It's been my (admittedly VERY limited) experience that guys that are in the mid-range of looks tend to be more comfortable with themselves, because they know both their good points and bad points. Hot guys only pursue really hot women because they feel entitled. Funny enough, guys that are on the "lower" side of average (overweight/whatever they think makes them less attractive) ALSO pursue hot women, because they feel that having a beautiful girlfriend will elevate them and make them feel better about themselves. (Which, by the way, is wrong because there's a LOT of competition for hot women, and that makes them even more insecure because they're afraid of losing her, but I digress). I actually outlined my good points to a guy, then asked him point-blank "What makes YOU so s**t-hot you think you're going to do better?" (For the record, it didn't win me any points. *snort*)

Babycakes was a movie, and a sort of "big-girl fantasy" about being loved for who you are, not for what you look like. Myself, I would never pursue someone that athletic because I'd be expected to do stuff with him and for-freakin'-get it! ;) But it IS a fantasy, and in real life the stuff of unrequited crushes usually ends up not working out anyway, as cute as they both were together.

This brings up something very interesting - here's some homework for y'all.

The next time you're watching television, make a concious effort to watch the commercials --- do it - it will amaze you. You will notice that most of the commercials feature a below- average-looking guy (balding, pot belly, overweight, childish) coupled with an above-average-looking wife or girlfriend. There is such disparity that it borders on the hilarious. Of course, it is by no mistake - depending on the ad, it is geared to appeal to the target audience, which for the most part is the below average couch potato male! That's why in real life, below average guys will hit on babes because almighty commercialism tells them that they have a chance. All the beautiful women (and you all are beautiful) raise your voice in unison -- NOT!

Yes, she was maybe a tad bit shallow. I think most people are to some degree. Yes, she was originally attracted to Rob due to his looks. That is what most people notice first about another person. However, it soon became more than that. He treated her nicely even though she was large. I think that was a novel experience for her. She seemed so surprised when any man treated her well...not just Rob. Look at the guy who sold her that scarf. She was so surprised that he could think she was pretty.

My ex and I were both overweight, nice to be accepted as is, never have to nibble on birdfood. It can happen.

I have read and am absolutely amazed by the stereotyping which I assume is limited to Western Europe and North America. Please not that thinness is not synonimous with good-looking and fattiness with ugliness. You can be thin and ugly, fat and beautiful, fat and ugly or thin and beautiful, you can even by ordinary looking and ordinarily sized. This has no bearing on being attracted to the opposite sex. In general, it has been proved that the MAJORITY of people are attracted towards people of more or less their own size, and I know this is my case. There are exceptions, like in this film, but they are not the rule and there is no point in condemning them. People who concentrate on fatness, thinness, eye or hair colour etc ARE shallow. What counts is the internal beauty of the person and that can only be perceived after knowing them for some time and sharing various situations with them. My main criteria for attraction are the character, the voice, the accent, they way they react in certain situations...but initially I have absolutely no physical requirements as, believe it or not, when you spend much time with a person, you get used to their physical appearance very quickly, if they are very beautiful to start with, you find them banal later on and if they are ugly, their supposed ugliness disappears when the beauty of their character and their smile shines through. So basically, people who make decisions about accepting or rejecting someone purely based on their physical appearance are totally stupid. By all means accept or reject, but only after you have at least some idea of the compatibility of the character with your own. Because, when it comes down to brass tacks, the compatibility of characters over many years is the hardest thing to nurture, but when it works out well, that is the greatest pleasure of all.

I agree with the saying that just because one is fat, doesn't automatically equal unattractive nor undesirable. I have known lots of overweight people who have beautiful faces and I have known plenty of average weight, skinny people that I think "God, these people go out in public?" Whether you are big or small doesn't equal attractiveness.

I don't think Grace was shallow at all. I think if you think a person is attractive big little whatever you express your interested. I'm a "FAT" person as you call them. I think "chicks" and "dudes" hit on the person they find attractive either psychially and mentally. I look for intelligence and personality first and foremost in a guy.
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