Did they ever tell us what Kids real name is? I remember in the episode where him and Lou get married that they asked for his real name and he just told them to call him kid. But I cant remember if they ever told us his name or not.
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Teaspoon and Jed are the only ones that know Kid's real name. Jed because he is Kid's brother and Teaspoon because Kid fessed up at the wedding when Teaspoon asked for his name. But Teaspoon kept on calling him Kid.
I think there's a reason why the viewers don't know Kid's name. It would ruin parts of the show since that was Kid's big secret. It is revealed that Kid's father is/was abusive so Kid might nor want anything to do with his father's name. It was commom to name a child after someone in the family. This is just me guessing, but Kid's father may play an important part in the confederacy and that's one of the reasons that he doesn't want anyone to know his name.
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> This is just me guessing, but Kid's father may play an important part in the
> confederacy and that's one of the reasons that he doesn't want anyone to
> know his name
Kid's parents are dead, and there wouldn't have been a Confederacy when his father was alive. Besides, Kid had no need to be ashamed of the Confederacy; he was from the South, after all. He already indicated he'd head back home to Virginia when war broke out, and chances are good he'd have fought for the South.
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People seem to be forgetting Doritha as well. She knew his real name. Anyway, on a fan site there is a scene listed that was supposedly from the first version of the episode (at the wedding) where we find out Kid's name was "Louis." Cody makes some wise crack about "Lou is marrying Lou." I'm sure if you google it you will find it.
shareIf I'm not mistaken the series finale is when they reveal his real name while during he and Louises wedding.
shareI believe in the original script, his name was to be Louis, for the Lou/Lou joke. But they changed it and it was filmed never knowing what Kid's name is.
I think that maybe the joke wouldn't have worked too well because how could kid have known that he was going to marry lou in the beginning, when he had people call him Kid?
I like to think that because he was from a good southern family, he maybe had a sort of "girl's" name...like Ashly, or Leslie, and out west, it didn't work as well.
In any case, I think the reason they never told us, was that they kind of made a big deal of it up toward the end and nothing the writers could come up with would satisfy us of his embarrasment, so they left it to our imagination, after all, it gives a lot of fun to fan fic authors!!
The show's creator, Ed Spielman, NEVER intended for Kid to have a name and he NEVER wanted one to be revealed. He simply wanted him to be known as "Kid" and let the "real name" forever exist a mystery.
Toying with revealing Kid's name to be "Lou" was nothing more than someone trying to mess with something they didn't need to mess with. I'm thankful that was dropped from the final draft of the script.
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I THINK I AGREE THAT THE REASON KID DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO KNOW HIS REAL NAME WAS BECAUSE IT WAS A GIRLS NAME.... HOWEVER IN THE SERIES FINALE WHEN KID WHISPERS HIS NAME TO TEASPOON I DO THINK HE WHISPERED SOME NAME. I HAVE WATCHED THIS EPISODE MANY TIMES AND THAT PART IN PARTICULAR AND TRIED HARD TO HEAR WHAT HE SAID. MY OPINION(AGAIN THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION) I THINK HE WHISPERED MARIAN(LIKE MARIAN FROM ROBIN HOOD).....BUT TRUTH BE TOLD WE MOST LIKELY WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH............:)I"M OK WITH THAT, I LIKE KID JUST THE WAY HE IS....
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I always assumed that Kid was "Billy the Kid". The show had "Buffalo Bill", "Wild Bill Hickok", and Jessie James, so why not "Billy the Kid". According to Hal Erickson's review of the show in the All Movie Guide he states: "Ty Miller played the lead rider, a hothead known only as The Kid (it was not-so-subtly hinted that he was actually Billy the Kid)".
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I had thought that too, but I'm not sure if I'd call The Kid a hot head. I never saw that in him he was a thinker, a planner. Unless it came to Lou then he did turn into a sort of hot head.
I liked Kid but the character could be over bearing at times trying to be in control all the time. Maybe that's just me.. *shrugs shoulders*
jenn-t: Yeah, I always thought he was Billy the Kid too. He's a great shot. And I also thought that it would make three Bills in the gang - kind of a nice touch.
He is however a little too morally concerned and law-abiding (correct word?) to be Billy the Kid.
Kid wasn't really a hothead. Sure he could get mad at times. That happens to all of us, but no one would ever describe Kid a ticking bomb.
Billy the Kid was two years old during the heyday of the Pony Express so it would have made an interresting sub-plot... lol
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Personally I thought that once they made James Butler Hickock a Pony Express rider the character became fictional, and what I mean by that is they just used the name, they could have made the character what ever they wished.
I agree with the three Bills thing except for the there would have only been two, Jimmy got the name due to that slime ball of a book writer.
I do think that the Kid keeped his emotions a little to in check, though you saw a bit of his hot headness come out in "Hard Time" when he was arrested and forced to work on a chain gang.
The real Hickok, though, not a rider, worked for the Pony Express station in Sweetwater. He was a stock keeper (or something of the like). There are a lot of similarities between the real life and the TYR Jimmy. Life they both had a strong sense of what was right and wrong, but unlike Kid, was willing to bend the rules in the cause of good. And a lot of the things that happened to Jimmy, did also happpen to the real guy; both of them was witness to his father's stabbing (due to political opinions).
Okay, getting of my high horse now.
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Oh wow I didn't realize all that, thanks for the info. :)
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Kid was NOT supposed to be Billy the Kid. It wasn't even hinted it at that he was supposed to be. He's completely fictional. Some of his traits were based on the show's creator Ed Spielman.
The real "Wild Bill" Hickok didn't get his name from a dime novel writer like Marcus. In real life, some people called Hickok "Duck Bill" because of his protruding upper lip (that's why he eventually grew his mustache).
After a big shootout where he killed four guys, people started calling him "Wild Bill."
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Two things that I didn't like with the Kid was he always thought he was right. He made that dumb comment in Decoy when him, Jimmy, Teaspoon, Ike and Buck all had to watch the baby that someone left on their doorstep and Kid made a comment along the lines of "I wish Lou would hurry up". Like being a woman automatically makes her a mother especially since the only "mothering" she did was to her little brother and sister who probley beyond toddler age when they went into the orphanage.
Then he left her behind when they went to rescue Amanda, so she tracked them and got into the camp. Had Kid not left her behind Amanda wouldn't have ratted her out to the leader and get caught. Then he blamed her capture on Jimmy.
But hey it's just my opinion. I know Kid loved her and vise versa but there's a time to say hey you've proven yourself and don't need me mothering you.
Yeah, I didn't like that part about him either.
Lou did prove she was a good a shooter and rider as anyone, but, she did get into a lot of trouble which she couldn't get out of herself. All of them got into trouble once in a while of course, but it felt as if Lou's trouble was "milder" than the guys and still she wouldn't be able to get out of it. (Jimmy: About to be hanged. Kid: Chained and held at a penal working camp. etc - and Lou: Kidnapped by a gentleman thief....I'm sorry but doesn't that sound a little weird?!
I think girls are just as good as boys. We aren't as strong - that's a fact - and in general we're shorter as well but that doesn't mean we can't take care of ourselves or handle our own problems REAL well. I wanted Lou to be a more able character.
Am I making sense or am I just rambling?
Agreed, at the start of the show they had her a strong individual, then Kid found out she was a girl, then the rest of them slowly found out then her character (I thought) sort of went toe damsal in distress syndrome. I too thought she was strong and able to take care of herself, she didn't get into any more trouble then the rest of them.
shareI agree, I always thought that he was Billy the Kid, and he didn't want to admit it because then there would have been all three of them called Bill/William (Wild Bill Hickok, William Cody and Billy the Kid).
shareIt's been ages since I've seen anything past season one so I've got two tiny questions:
Did they over have Kid face off with his father? For the life of me I can't remember.
And I've been readins some episodes guides, Did Kid and Jimmy make up after their fight in Season three?
I'm not sure about the father thing. I do know that all the riders were orphans. I believe Kid mentions his parents deaths in the episode "Just Like Old Times" when his old girlfriend Doritha comes to town. I remember him saying something like "When my parents died I needed to leave Virginia...I said I'd send for her [Doritha]". Or something to that effect.
As far as Jimmy and Kid, they did make up. Jimmy was Kid's best man at his wedding.
Yay, I thought so, but couldn't remember. I know in "False Colors" Jed said something to the effect of this:
"I swear if he hadn't run off I would have killed him my self".
That's what confused me. So I got the impression that he didn't know wether his father was alive or dead.
But thanks. Glad that they made up, if anyone was like brothers it was Kid and Jimmy. I always thought they where from the same coin just where different sides of it.
I was on a website "The Young Riders Express Station" which said this about Kid:
"The Kid was originally from Virginia and he made his way West at fifteen to get away from his family and to start a new life. In his early childhood, he was beaten severely his father. After that, Kid and his brother were sent to live with foster parents, but he didn't stay with them for too long."
http://www.angelfire.com/ks/TheYoungRiders/Characters/Kid.html
Now I'm not so sure whether Kid's parents were dead or not.
Cool thanks for the info. Anyway if his real father was alive, I think it would have made a great storyline.
shareI don't think this is possible for Billy the Kid and the Kid to be the same person. The Young Riders was set during the Pony Express which ran through the center of the US (from MO to CA). Billy the Kid was located south, in NM and AZ. From this history, it can only be assumed that the Kid and Billy the Kid are not the same person.
shareOh wow - your comment just made me remember a conversation I had with my dad about this show and how he assumed that Kid was also Billy the Kid. Seriously wow moment for me (my dad died in 93).
shareI agree that it was a good thing the Lou/Lou was dropped from the script - it was much more fun not to know his real name and I love the wedding scene and Teaspoon's reaction, plus the rest of the boys desperately trying to overhear what Kid is whispering and Lou's affectionate amusement when Teaspoon doesn't use it. LOL.
As for those complaining about Kid assuming being a woman meant naturally knowing about how to care for children - come on, give the guy a break! We were in the Old West here, not modern times! That was the prevailing view at the time, after all. Most of society believed that women were natural mothers and knew everything there was to know about child-rearing. They certainly didn't expect men to care for the babies!
And, no, the Kid wasn't Billy the Kid. That fallacy came about through a mistake in early publicity sheets issued by the production team and they spent a deal of time afterwards constantly having to refute that idea.
Kid was definitely not a hothead. He was generally calm and liked to use his head. Admittedly, when it came to Lou he tended to lose his focus.
As for the idea that Lou might know how to care for a baby...True she might not have known much about it. But, none of them seemed to know much either. Maybe he figured that she'd taken care of her younger siblings at some point.
I always thought that Teaspoon's refusal to reveal Kid's true name at the wedding was a little in-joke the writers were pulling on the audience.
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I want to know I understand the whole not knowing the first name but what about his last name. When they got married did they us her last name, I don't get it.
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