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How can they stop vehicles they think are suspicious?


If a person is driving late at night through a quiet area, and not committing any traffic violations, plate is good, all lights are working, how can they be pulled over? What is the probable cause?






Concerned Third Party

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they cant...when did you see this happen?

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Season 14 Episode 18

Here is a link. It's the second segment. Not sure if there is something I'm missing...



http://movpod.in/iypo46ow5a1c




Concerned Third Party

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If a person is driving late at night through a quiet area, and not committing any traffic violations, plate is good, all lights are working, how can they be pulled over? What is the probable cause?

Perhaps they are your Tennessee counterparts and the machine generated their number. 

Just kidding. 

Under stop and frisk laws called "Terry Stops" the US Supreme Court ruled in 1968 that police may stop people if they reasonably believe the person has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime. The standard is a reasonable suspicion, not probable cause.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_stop

On a scale of 1-5 for suspicion, IMO it would go something like this:
1. No suspicion
2. Mere suspicion
3. Reasonable suspicion
4. Probable cause
5. Beyond any reasonable doubt

Having watched the first part of the second segment video, the officer was concerned that the vehicle was cruising several residential streets late at night. If there had been a number of late night burglaries in an area and the same vehicle is observed driving around the neighborhood without going to a destination, this could be articulated as grounds for a stop to determine if they are "casing" homes for a burglary.

Based on what I saw if the driver contested the stop, any charges made based upon it would probably be dismissed.

Dean: I am wearing sunglasses at night. You know who does that? No-talent douche bags!

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interesting...good stuff

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If it's an area known for certain types of illegal activity (drugs, prostitution, etc.), a vehicle with no apparent legitimate business in that area is going to immediately arouse suspicion; the officer can easily "find" a reason to stop the vehicle then. I used to get stopped by police on a semi-regular basis when I worked jobs that often saw me driving home cross-country in the late night hours; apparently being the only car on the road after midnight was enough cause for them...

"...And on this farm he had an igloo..."

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I've noticed they will often do this if the person is in drag. Sometimes it only seems to be a suspicion because they are dressed like women. I wonder how often this happens and the person(s) were doing nothing wrong, so it doesn't make it into the show.

I knew a transsexual who was 6'3" and I had wondered if she was ever stopped by the cops while driving around due to her appearance, but she always denied that. Who knows if it's true or not, but she did have a paper issued by her psychologist that stated why she was dressed that way in case she was ever stopped.

"He had Four-on-the-Floor and I was ready to Clutch"🌈

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> how can they be pulled over? What is the probable cause?

Heh, heh. Courts have ruled that pretty much anything a cop says counts as reasonable suspicion. I believe there was one case where a cop claimed that he had a hunch and that was allowed. Basically, if you try to challenge a cop's statement of reasonable suspicion, you will lose. Don't waste your time.

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I am a living example. I was stopped in broad daylight, where I was driving slower than the posted speed limit (remember speed limit, so what I was doing was LEGAL) and not inhibiting traffic, as during that time, there was no one within 50 yards of me both ways, except that cop. Then the cop added that he usually suspects people that drive too slow or under the speed limit to be on drugs. After all was said and done, he let me go for careless driving on a warning ticket.

Better watch out, better start crying. Better hurry up, run and hide. Krampus is coming to town! >:)

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