Cops Are Liars


I usually avoid this show because it really doesn't take long before I see the cops acting like jerks. Oh, usually not mean jerks, but jerks in the way that they manipulate the law and very often blatantly lie to the suspects.

Like the very first episode I watched today (first in about six months). The cop pulls over a guy for a broken tail light. The guy confesses that he is driving on a suspended license and begins crying and begging the cop not to take him to jail. The cop say that he won't arrest him just for a suspended license.

The cop tells him to get out of the car and says that he is being put in handcuffs for his own safety. Then, the cop says that, since the guy is in handcuffs, he must read the guy his rights, even though his is NOT under arrest. I've never heard that a cop must read the rights to someone simply being detained or questioned.

Then, the cop said that, since he was in handcuffs -- but not under arrest, he had the right to search the car from top to bottom. Again, that's grossly illegal if the man is not under arrest.

The cops returned a few minutes later and said that, despite the fact that they found nothing illegal, they were arresting the man for driving without a license.

It was just lie after lie after lie from the cops.

And, I assume, the producers of the show always try to show the cops in the best light possible (so they can do future filming) and this is the best they could make this situation look like.

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I usually avoid this show because it really doesn't take long before I see the cops acting like jerks. Oh, usually not mean jerks, but jerks in the way that they manipulate the law and very often blatantly lie to the suspects.

Like the very first episode I watched today (first in about six months). The cop pulls over a guy for a broken tail light. The guy confesses that he is driving on a suspended license and begins crying and begging the cop not to take him to jail. The cop say that he won't arrest him just for a suspended license.

The cop tells him to get out of the car and says that he is being put in handcuffs for his own safety. Then, the cop says that, since the guy is in handcuffs, he must read the guy his rights, even though his is NOT under arrest. I've never heard that a cop must read the rights to someone simply being detained or questioned.

Then, the cop said that, since he was in handcuffs -- but not under arrest, he had the right to search the car from top to bottom. Again, that's grossly illegal if the man is not under arrest.

The cops returned a few minutes later and said that, despite the fact that they found nothing illegal, they were arresting the man for driving without a license.

It was just lie after lie after lie from the cops.

And, I assume, the producers of the show always try to show the cops in the best light possible (so they can do future filming) and this is the best they could make this situation look like.


I always thought it was the suspect's attitude and agitation that has caused him to go to jail, not the offense he committed by driving on a suspended license, I do believe if the suspect was more relaxed and cooperative he would have been more likely to walk away.

The worst episode I can think of where a cop lied to the suspect was the one from Florida (late 2000's episode) where a black officer pulls over a young white male for a traffic violation and the suspect was really nervous, then the officer asks if the suspect was hiding something, then the suspect admits he had a little bit of marijuana in his vehicle, then the officer tells the suspect that if all he has is a little bit of marijuana he'll let him go with a ticket, then he searches the suspect's vehicle all what they've found was a small amount of marijuana, unfortunately the officer tells the suspect that he's under arrest for a little bit of marijuana, watching that episode kind of pissed me off because I really didn't want to see the young man ruin his life over him getting arrested over a small amount of marijuana.

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> I do believe if the suspect was more relaxed and cooperative he would have been more likely to walk away.

Well, when you know that you are driving on a suspended license and those flashing lights come on behind you, how relaxed can you really be?

In any case, the cop is not going to be setting you free no matter how relaxed you are. Once the handcuffs are on, you are under arrest.

> the officer tells the suspect that if all he has is a little bit of marijuana he'll let him go with a ticket

Well, that's why you never trust a cop and never admit anything, no matter how minor.

I was leaving a casino one night and the valet had turned off my headlights (which I never do). A cop pulls me over and the first thing he asks if I had been drinking and I said that I had one drink six hours ago (truth). Well, suddenly there were three cop cars and six officers surrounding me. They made me do many roadside tests and when I blew 0.000 on the breathalyzer, I yelled, "Well, duh. I told you so."

They were not happy at all and I learned my lesson; never tell the cops anything. Answer their questions with simple, one-word answers or do not answer at all, especially if it seems like they are fishing for you to admit something suspicious.

Cops are master manipulators. They stop and talk to people hiding stuff dozens of times a day. They know how to trick people into admitting crimes, allowing searches, and so on. Don't fall for it.

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Yup. I used to have a bad pain pill problem, and got stopped one night because I was driving under the influence of Oxycodone and Xanax. It was my first time ever getting in trouble for anything in my life and the cops knew it. They arrested me and once I was in the holding cell at the police station, a plain clothes officer came in and they told me "Just tell this guy everything, he's here to help you. See he's even wearing street clothes like you." So me being the naive and dumb young kid who I was, told the guy everything and it helped lead to my conviction and I still don't have my license back because in the state of NJ, you hafta pay an extra $1000 a year for three years. Like the person above me said, never EVER talk to or trust a cop

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Well, that's why you never trust a cop and never admit anything, no matter how minor.

I was leaving a casino one night and the valet had turned off my headlights (which I never do). A cop pulls me over and the first thing he asks if I had been drinking and I said that I had one drink six hours ago (truth). Well, suddenly there were three cop cars and six officers surrounding me. They made me do many roadside tests and when I blew 0.000 on the breathalyzer, I yelled, "Well, duh. I told you so."

They were not happy at all and I learned my lesson; never tell the cops anything. Answer their questions with simple, one-word answers or do not answer at all, especially if it seems like they are fishing for you to admit something suspicious.

Cops are master manipulators. They stop and talk to people hiding stuff dozens of times a day. They know how to trick people into admitting crimes, allowing searches, and so on. Don't fall for it.


Speaking of cops there was one time several years ago I was watching the trains go by with my backpack on (I was visiting town that day) in front of the work release inmates (I didn't know their supervisor was an undercover cop) and afterwhen I've seen the first train go by I've left the area, 5 minutes later I've seen another train go by and went back over there

While I was watching the second train go by a police car drives by and asks me what I was doing, I've told him I was railfanning and he didn't even know what railfanning was, he however tells me that for his safety and mine he was gonna pat me down for drugs and weapons and started searching me, oddly he never checked my rear pant pockets.

Then the officer runs my ID to see if I've had any warrants (which I didn't) and then asks me if he could search my backpack but did tell me I have the right to refuse consent for them to search, I did let them search because I've wanted the police out of my hair, then after they've searched my bag they ended up letting me go.

Since then I've kept more of a low profile while watching the trains go by so I won't have someone call the police on me.

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I would not say lying, it is more of an interrogation and at the most, a means to make you guilty before proving your are innocent. The only way you can get out of that is by just being honest and/or not having any kind of charge. If you had an expired license, you should all ready know that you have broken a law and based on whether the cop wants to let you off for it or not, it is his choice. Then again, cops can also make false accusations; however, they would have to prove that in court and that is when you can call them out!

Better watch out, better start crying. Better hurry up, run and hide. Krampus is coming to town! >:)

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> I would not say lying, it is more of an interrogation

Except that it was no ordinary interrogation, it was the kind of thing where the cop tells lie after lie to get the man to admit something illegal.

You know, it's kind of like in the movies where the bad guy is hunting down our hero with a gun and he says, "Come on out, I won't shoot you. I promise." Why on Earth would you believe him?

> If you had an expired license, you should all ready know that you have broken a law and based on whether the cop wants to let you off for it or not, it is his choice.

Then the cop shouldn't be allowed to say, "I won't arrest you just for having an expired license," when he has every intention of arresting you no matter what. That's not interrogation, that's lying.

> Then again, cops can also make false accusations; however, they would have to prove that in court and that is when you can call them out!

Before they had body cams, no judge in the world would ever take a suspect's word against a cop's word. Keep in mind that the cops are agents of the court and they work together. If any judge ever called a cop a liar in court, no cop would ever work with that judge again. That's the blue shield.

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But then again, is he really lying? What he did there was what many guilty criminals fall for, they believe it in haste because they know they are guilty. Why on earth would you think that would be true if you had broken a law? That is on you at that point, not on what he/she says. Granted, some cops may let you off; however, they have a job where I am pretty sure they get paid to arrest someone and yes, if you are breaking the law, they will arrest you.

But yeah, the whole cop accusation thing and winning the case is something I am on the wall about. I never really figured out how you could prove your case against a cop, who would just be able to tag on other arrests. I guess at that point, or maybe while you were stopped, try to do your best NOT to piss him off in the first place? Some situations are harder though, if he is somehow prejudiced.

There have been times in history where a cop has done that; however, the only way they found out that the cop was unnecessarily tacking on arrests was when they were making a habit of doing so.

At that point, you could always plead for a lesser punishment.

Better watch out, better start crying. Better hurry up, run and hide. Krampus is coming to town! >:)

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> But then again, is he really lying?

Yes. Look up the definition of "lie" sometime.

> What he did there was what many guilty criminals fall for, they believe it in haste because they know they are guilty.

That's still a lie when a cop says something that he knows is not true. That's the definition of "lying".

> Why on earth would you think that would be true if you had broken a law?

Because a cop told that to you. Children are usually taught to trust a police officer. Yet, those same children are taught not to lie and not to trust anyone that lies. So, should you trust a police officer when you know that they will blatantly lie in order to trap you?

Think about this; do you think that a copy will have any problem at all getting up on the witness stand and lying under oath? Remember that they are taught at police school to lie and they get promoted by lying and they protect their job by lying and the court always takes their word. And you seem to be perfectly happy with the fact that they lie all the time. What possible incentive do they have to stand up in court and suddenly tell the truth?

> But yeah, the whole cop accusation thing and winning the case is something I am on the wall about. I never really figured out how you could prove your case against a cop, who would just be able to tag on other arrests.

And that's really the whole problem. Your testimony against a cop in open court is worthless. His testimony is treated as the gospel truth. You lose.

I saw an episode of Judge Judy a couple of years ago where a woman thought she was treated unfairly by a cop and wrote a complaint to his supervisor. Of course, the supervisor ignored the complaint, but the complaint still went into the officer's file. He then sued the woman for $5,000 for damaging his career and he won.

> I guess at that point, or maybe while you were stopped, try to do your best NOT to piss him off in the first place? ... At that point, you could always plead for a lesser punishment.

Sadly, that is the way most people react. When confronted by a cop, they just put their head down and hope that the cop hasn't had a bad day today and that he decides to be merciful. And, if he has has a bad day and arrests you, maybe if you humble yourself in court, the judge may give you a break.

That's the way most Germans felt about the Nazis in the 1930s; just keep your head down and pray that they looked the other way.

> There have been times in history where a cop has done that; however, the only way they found out that the cop was unnecessarily tacking on arrests was when they were making a habit of doing so.

True. That's very sad that the only way a cop is ever punished for his abuse is if he is so blatant and repetitive with that abuse that the department decides that he is giving them too much of a black eye and must be kicked out.

> At that point, you could always plead for a lesser punishment.

And that's a big problem for the court system. If a cop is ever convicted of lying and fraud and abuse of power, that invalidates every case he's ever worked on and the city will be on the hook for millions of dollars in lawsuits for wrongful arrest/conviction. That's why cops are almost never prosecuted.

It always comes down to money. Cops and judges and cities make lots of money when people are arrested and they lose money when bad cops are outed.

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