does Shauna Grant have any movies that are not porn
i was just wondering cause i wanna see a true hollywood story about her
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No. Beyond spreading her legs she was pretty much worthless.
sharesnow_chick1984 , please stop trolling. It seems all you’re good for is telling us that Applegate was only good for spreading her legs. Perhaps it is you who are the thief of oxygen and space? After all, she is dead. Try adding something worthwhile (or at least original) to the discussion.
Believe it or not, Applegate didn’t arrive fully formed from the head of her father ready to sniff coke and hand out beejays. She was turned into that person by systematic exploitation. Beyond her salacious screen career and her dubious lifestyle, she was just a kid; a sad, disturbed, and misguided kid with little true sense of self-worth. A simple "No" would have sufficed to answer the question.
I caught Shattered Innocence on Oxygen a while back. As I was watching it I kept saying to myself, “I’m going to change the channel in a minute.” It never happened. Don't get me wrong, Shattered Innocence is by no means an under appreciated masterpiece. The acting is mediocre, the dialogue induced my gag reflex on several occasions and the story itself only bears a passing resemblance to the life of its subject. The filmmakers didn’t even get the name right. Despite these sometimes jarring flaws, the movie has its moments. It inspires the same compulsion that forces one to rubberneck while passing the scene of a car wreck. I really didn’t see the suicide coming.
I did some research on Applegate and found a filmed interview she’d done after a couple of months of being in ‘the business.’ She didn’t appear to be the helpless victim she is often made out to be. She actually seemed to be reveling in the attention and power her new found talents had bought her. At the same time she also seemed to be very naïve. She labored under the delusion that she was being valued as a person and not solely as a commodity…very tragic stuff indeed.
Somebody should have taken care of that girl…looked after her just a little bit. I’m not saying no one tried but, maybe they should have tried a little harder.
Somebody should have taken care of that girl…looked after her just a little bit. I’m not saying no one tried but, maybe they should have tried a little harder.
Didn't her parents try to "look after her" and she resented them because they wanted her to give up doing the porn? But if she did that, she would have had to work. The truth is, the girl knew what she was doing. She just wanted the "easy money and life's a party" lifestyle.
From the accounts I've read her parents were emotionally unavailable people who were unaccustomed to talking about their feelings. They’ve been quoted as saying as much. They were also somewhat dismissive of her first suicide attempt. They wrote it off as a call for attention instead of recognizing it as a cry for help.
From Phil Applegate: "I wasn't an easy father but, I was the same with all the kids. I don't know if there is an answer."
From Karen Applegate: "If I had to do it over, I'd try to understand what was going on, I'd try to reason with her instead of criticizing her constantly, instead of making her go by my way."
You can read the full article these quotes come from here: http://shaunagrant.imess.net/people.html
In spite of all this, I think her parents acted commendably right up to her death. My comment was directed at the scores of individuals, (both men and women) who chose to exploit her once she moved to California. Of course one could always argue that this exploitation was mutual but, even if it was, she was only eighteen.
As for her attraction to easy money and the party lifestyle, this is a fairly common sickness among young people today. I don’t think she should be especially demonized for it. Ask the average teenage girl would she prefer to be Paris Hilton or Condoleezza Rice and you’ll see what I mean.
StormAngel, I have the utmost respect for you opinions but, I disagree with you when you write
"The truth is, the girl knew what she was doing."The truth is she obviously did not know what she was doing.
Who among us has not at one point in our lives looked for the easy way out, or sought the path of least resistance? It’s very disturbing to see that so many people, especially women, write her off as a leg-spreading whore that got what she deserved. Adolph Hitler got what he deserved; Colleen Applegate did not. What she deserved, like any other human being, was a shot at redemption not a .22 caliber shot through the skull. From what I’ve read in this forum, (which incidentally should be directed at comments regarding the film), it seems as if some of you would have gladly pulled the trigger for her at the moment of truth.
Let me be clear, I am not absolving her of all blame. She acted foolishly and made astoundingly bad choices. Nor am I assigning blame to any one individual in her family or circle of so-called-friends and lovers. In fact, if there is any blame to hand out it probably rests squarely on all of our shoulders as a society.
To all of you who hate this woman, I implore you, have a care. Show some compassion. Vilifying Colleen Applegate some 23 years after her death for simply being a flawed human being shows a disturbing lack of empathy and, IMHO, poor taste.
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I am the Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd risks and lays down His life for the sheep. But the hired servant (he who merely serves for wages) who is neither the shepherd nor the owner of the sheep, when he sees the wolf coming, deserts the flock and runs away. And the wolf chases and snatches them and scatters [the flock]. John 10:4-18
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I don't "hate" the woman. I just do not see her as a victim. Was she mentally incompetent in some way that she did not understand that she was *beep* and s*ck*ing men she didn't even know for cash? Or did she choose to do that because she did not want to work a regular job? True, very few people WANT to have to work hard, do boring work, start at the bottom, etc. But most people do realize that this is just a fact of life, unless they are indepently wealthy or well-connected.
How is society as a whole to blame for individual choices? Yes, I have made some poor choices at times, but I recognize those choices were my fault and my fault alone.
All I am saying is that she was no victim. No, I would not have pulled the trigger for her, but (if given the chance) I told her she did have options, and she still chose the gun over having to work, I would just walk away and find someone that really wanted help to help.
Three things and then I’ll drop it for good.
1. Our society is to blame on some level. We saturate our young people, especially young girls, in messages that reinforce sex-appeal as their primary means of self worth. While no one held a gun to Colleen's head she certainly didn't pull the idea out of thin air. And yes she was mentally unbalanced; today we refer to it as clinical depression.
2. I don’t think Colleen blamed anyone for her bad choices either, so in that respect you both have something in common. I guess that’s what I’m really trying to do here, show some commonality in the human experience. I never said she was a victim. In fact I don’t think anyone else here in the forums has said that either. The real issue here is how do we decide who is and isn’t worthy of receiving our help. Obviously 20 year old girls in the porn industry can be filed under 'no help here.'
3. Although I can’t be certain, not having been there myself, I do believe that this girl realized she had to get her act together. She quit the business after less then a year but, by then she was the equivalent of human trash in everyone’s eyes, unworthy of anyone’s attention or consideration. The ‘simple’ truth is that most people dislike this girl simply because she chose to have sex on film with multiple partners for money. The Pauline of the film is just a construct; she was designed as a brat in action and speech to make it easier to stomach her suicide at the end of the film. Another example of this can be found in that “famous book by Nabokov.” In reality I believe things couldn’t have been that black and white.
Is she really not worthy even of our pity?
Frack it. Maybe she was just fracking lazy and stupid; a complete waist of space and air. I’m sure her parent’s felt the same way too. We should have stoned her and spared the bullet the indignity of her head.
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Lolita should make all of us-parents, social workers, educators-apply ourselves with greater vigilance and vision to the task of bringing up a better generation in a safer world.
1. Our society is to blame on some level. We saturate our young people, especially young girls, in messages that reinforce sex-appeal as their primary means of self worth. While no one held a gun to Colleen's head she certainly didn't pull the idea out of thin air. And yes she was mentally unbalanced; today we refer to it as clinical depression.
Or she was just a brat that needed a good swift kick in the ass. Plenty of females don't get told they are "beautiful" on a daily basis, and yet somehow they find the strength and courage to go on. It's like people blaming thise of us that work for the shoplifters. Bull! There have been many times that an item I wanted was left behind (by me anyway) in the store because I did not have the money to pay for it. We are all responsible for our own actions. And I doubt that she was "depressed". Moe like a bored little brat who didn't like life in a small town.
2. I don’t think Colleen blamed anyone for her bad choices either, so in that respect you both have something in common. I guess that’s what I’m really trying to do here, show some commonality in the human experience. I never said she was a victim. In fact I don’t think anyone else here in the forums has said that either. The real issue here is how do we decide who is and isn’t worthy of receiving our help. Obviously 20 year old girls in the porn industry can be filed under 'no help here.'
If ANYONE wants help, they are worthy if help. But if a person REFUSES to help themselves, why waste time with them? All you do is go in circles. I once saw a documentary type show about a man (possibly a former priest, I am not sure though) that was going around, trying to offer prostitutes some help. He had flyers with info on half-way type houses and JOB TRAINING. Some just threw the flyers down, MOST of their responses had to be "bleeped" out, and some even threatened him. I think only about three accepted the help (at first), and only one completed the program. The other two quickly returned to life on the street because they thought the program rules (no drugs, no partying, etc) were bullsh*t. The one that really worked at it and completed it I say good luck to, the other two I say good riddance. Why waste time with someone that does not want the help?
3. Although I can’t be certain, not having been there myself, I do believe that this girl realized she had to get her act together. She quit the business after less then a year but, by then she was the equivalent of human trash in everyone’s eyes, unworthy of anyone’s attention or consideration. The ‘simple’ truth is that most people dislike this girl simply because she chose to have sex on film with multiple partners for money. The Pauline of the film is just a construct; she was designed as a brat in action and speech to make it easier to stomach her suicide at the end of the film. Another example of this can be found in that “famous book by Nabokov.” In reality I believe things couldn’t have been that black and white.
She quit the business only because she got to live in a big, fancy house with a drug dealer and run his store. When she didn't have all that, she went straight back to the industry. Most people that are/were not into porn probably never even would have heard of this girl. So, if she had it in her to go and apply for jobs, she could have put down the retail experience on a job application. But that would have meant hard work and budgeting her money, but why should she have to live like millions and millions of other people though, right?
Is she really not worthy even of our pity?
Frack it. Maybe she was just fracking lazy and stupid; a complete waist of space and air. I’m sure her parent’s felt the same way too. We should have stoned her and spared the bullet the indignity of her head.
As I said before. No, she didn't deserve to be stoned or anything like that. But my pity is reserved for those who did nothing to cause their own situations, not those that bring it all on themselves and have no interest in helping themselves.
Now, that is also all I will say on this topic.
StormAngel, thank you for taking the time and energy to help me understand your point of view. We’ve tasted the bread and we disagree. The very best of luck to you and yours.
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I do my thing and you do your thing.
I am not in this world to live up to your expectations,
And you are not in this world to live up to mine.
You are you, and I am I,
And if by chance we find each other, it's beautiful.
If not, it can't be helped.
Gestalt prayer, Fritz Perls
Just because I don't think of a porn star as some type of martyr it does not make me a troll. You just said she loved the attention her "talen" brought to her. So that proves, all she was good for was spreading her legs, something any woman can do. Except that those of us with class are more choosy about who we go to bed with.
sharesnow_chick1984, I did not call you a troll. I said you were "trolling."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28internet%29
In either case I apologize. You posted the same thing a number of times under various topics and frankly, I got tired of reading it.
As you can see, StormAngel and I have thoroughly exhausted this debate. Your views on the subject seem to be in line with his/hers so I say again, we've tasted the bread and we disagree.
Best Regards
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PyrettaBlaze75 - Thank you for the kind words. It's a shame that she needed defending at all. In order not to spark any new debate or exacerbate the situation any further, I have sent you a private message with my final thoughts on the matter. I hope all else is well.
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