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Why is it this film feels more violent than IV


Watch both films back to back, it's fascinating to notice that despite depictions of more graphic brutality of the last film, this one retains a sense of far more realism just by seeing the events (through the camera) by the distance as if we were there standing there, in a way it gets rid of anything seemingly staged, watch the attack on the tribe in the middle of the film for example, horse falling is really horse falling (which i would see as animal cruelty too), a man falling on the ground from being shot without any distracting hollywoodish *cut* or slow-mo puts the viewer right there on the battlefield. This film has far more sense of gravity and respect for the psychology and place of human eye and brain. Howard Hawks, John Ford and Eastwood believed in the same invisible technique, the more you show off your own style or technique (irrationaly moving your own camera, aerial shots where no human eye would ever be at that moment of time in the film) the more you lose a sense of connection between the film's reality and the audience. Why do you tink that films have become so artificial in the recent years, because they have become more technical, more stylization, cuts, slow-mo, etc...

I like Sly's "visible" technique in Rocky IV for example, i didn't need too much realism there, but where it fails is in the films where you try to be realistic, because your style backfires at you and gets in the way of realism so to speak. In this way, Rambo III is more realistic even thought the story events of the film are clearly out of this world, but ironically they are more believable for the way they are shot and presented to public.

I'm convinced a little study of human psychology would reveal the way we perceive outside stimuli is the way like i'm describing here.

ps: Rambo III has also a few irrational close-ups though, but not enough to get us out of the picture like Rambo IV.

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laflic, you hit the nail on the head, well said about the realism in both films. This film had actually a very basic intention to exist more than just bring the action hero back on screen, it was supposed to influence and educate about the Soviet regime at the time, who knows how much it really made an impact, there was no internet back then, but i'm personally aware of people who embraced the message this film carried to them. It was pro-resistancy, pro-freedom, which really is not something the west was facing at the time. Although I know about the controversy, the scenes revealing about the situation out there were very real, no less than what heavy-handed Rambo 4 did recently. I see the spiritual touches seemed to be much more subtle and intelligent in this film, I think the character was changing much more internally and nothing beating-to-the-eys pompous was shown to achieve this development.

What I find interesting is the change of styles between Rambo III and IV. Keep in mind that people are constantly looking for the contrasts in their lives, especially when it comes to love, work or art, which creates all these returning cycles in trends and fashion for example. Now, in the 1980's we were still living in a pretty tough physical world, no digital availability, no work at the computer all day and so forth, so this explains the reason why people were searching for a bigger escape from this real world into a fantasy, Rambo III may seem to be a fantasy but it was made at the right time when people really needed such an escape. Now 20 years later we live in a completely fake world, we're slowly losing the concept of the reality, so that's why we embrace such ultra-realism all of a sudden, while we're despisig what was made in the 80's because it is to our eyes so fake today, in the 80's it was not, or at least it didn't seem to be so that much. It's my own theory, but it relates to your perception of realism in the movies and how and why it is so different in both movies. Both are realistic in their own sense, because they seem to be such perfect reflections of the time.

Nonetheless, i agree with you that the directing style of Rambo III is more universal in the cinema world and cares a lot more about the audience, it gives them more freedom to see what they want to see without being stuffed with all the details that take away from the viewer's imagination which I think is always more powerful. As the saying goes, sometimes less is more, and Rambo III succeeded in this quite perfectly.

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Really? Rambo literally takes on a tank with a horse and a molotov cocktail, and destroys a helicopter with a bow and arrow, and this is the more realistic of the two?

In all seriousness though, I kind of get what you're saying about the use of perspective and slow motion and such, but I guess that just does not bother me. I have the exact opposite feeling about the two movies in terms of which feels more violent and realistic. To me IV feels really gritty, the violence is much more graphic, senseless and horrible, and it isn't as glorified as it is in III, where you have things like a heroic charge of horse cavalry against armored vehicles. I guess to me that's just more important than the elements you describe.

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