Too 'Bergman-esque'?


Hi to anyone who bothers reading!

How funny... just watched 'Another Woman' for the first time (it came through the post, randomly, from my DVD rental queue) and it turns out Woody Allen turns 70 today. (Even funnier as the film touches on feelings of insecurity brought about by reaching a new decade, albeit turning 50.)

Anyway...

I was just wondering (as this is probably the first 'serious' Woody Allen film I've seen) if anyone else felt their viewing was marred by how much it seemed like a Bergman film. Not that that's a bad thing. I love many of Bergman's films (my favourite is possibly 'Hour Of The Wolf') and I know that's what he was striving for. Obviously Nykvist's gorgeous photography plays a huge part... And the choice of music... and it's easy to imagine Liv Ullman in the Gena Rowlands role and Ian Holm makes a good Von Sydow!

I don't know... without wanting to sound overly critical (I did REALLY enjoy it) I just felt it walked a fine line between homage and pastiche. Almost as if Bergman should have shared director's credit! I had the same problem with Gus Van Sant's 'Gerry' doing a Bela Tarr (though it worked perfectly for 'Elephant'). And yet I prefer De Palma doing Hitchcock or Eisenstein than the originals. Blasphemous, I know. And most of my own stuff (crappy little animation director) could be classed as parody/spoof/rip-off!

I guess what it is... it draws attention to the director's process (which doesn't matter so much in a fun De Palma thriller). I'm too aware of direction to get completely lost in the film. (ooh, I like that.)

Or maybe it's because I over-analyse... like the main character. And yeah, I am having treatment for it. Woody would be pleased! Happy birthday!

Damian

PS. The postman just brought 'Interiors'... it's all too much...

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I think the traces of Bergman actually enhanced the film without taking anything away from it. There were too many moments that were pure Woody (the cocktail party anecdote about being caught "in the act," the scenes of Marian eavesdropping on a therapy session) for this to come across as a total rip-off to me.

By the way, I'm curious to know if you are a PT Anderson fan or if you think he's too overbearing with the techniques he borrows from Altman. And I'm REALLY curious to know what you thought of "Interiors."

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Allen has said that Bergman is the greatest living filmmaker (i agree) and situates many of his films in Bergman's style. He even used Bergman's favorite DP for Manhattan (Sven Nyvist). He discusses Bergman in Annie Hall and Manhattan, and probably more, though I can't remember at the moment. Anyway, I don't think its possible to be TOO Bergmanesque. But reminiscent of Bergman? yes. Good luck with Interiors!

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Gordon Willis shot Manhattan, not Sven Nykvist.

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i agree. if woody allen had made any attempt to achieve bergman-esque stature, this is it. first, he uses a talented, yet independently famous. he finds roles for such celebrated indie actors as sandy dennis, david ogden stiers, ian holm, martha plimpton and john houseman. second, he uses bergman cinematographer sven nykvist and creates a bleak and saturated vision of new york. third, although this film is under the genre of comedy, the plot and the flashbacks are done in a dramatic bergman-esque style. most noticeably, this is relative to WILD STRAWBERRIES, by using memories to uncover the reasons for a person's nature. this was by far one of his better movies, a huge step up then from the ignored, but still great, SEPTEMBER, but the lines between homage and imitation become blurred.

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Comedy?!?!?!

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well more like a light drama, the genre is pretty blurred and the film takes on its deep topics with either anecdotal comedy-of-manner style or light dramatic context.

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I just watched this film, and though it was Bergman-esque, it was nothing on Interiors. In this film i felt it was subtle and was only 'too' Bergman-esque at times, and for the most part worked comfortably in the film. Interiors though, was painful to watch, i.e. the scene where Diane Keaton sits down with her husband and talks about the sensation of the world being predatory, just too close for comfort for me!



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I just saw it & loved it.

I read in Wikipedia that Woody had been partially inspired for this by WILD STRAWBERRIES in terms of the character who doesn't know his loved ones loathed him. While watching ANOTHER WOMAN, I couldn't help but be reminded of Ingmar's AUTUMN SONATA where the mother (played by the excellent Ingrid Bergman) finds herself confronted by the wrath of daughter Liv Ullmann being neglected for her mother's music career.
There's that section of Woody's film about how the Rowland's character refused to have her older professor-lover's baby. I sympathized with her (why should she jeopardize her intellectual journey/career - which he achieved- to bore him a baby) and also thought she was sincere about the rest of the things she had been "resented" for. If you check the message boards for AUTUMN SONATA, there's a very interesting discussion with someone (female) who hated that film for being patriarchal, etc.
Do you think Woody was inferring that the Rowland's character should have followed that route (having a baby) to be truly "happy"? I'd like to know what your opinions are & also recommend AUTUMN SONATA. But no matter what, I loved Woody's film & its performances.

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