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Needs more subtlety, less sledgehammer...


Okay, so I watched my first ep of this update. First... Faith Ford. Is she a vampire? Has a pact with the Devil? She looks exactly the same whereas the rest of the cast look... greyer... and puffier.

Now my complaint... this was the ep where the news crew struggle with whether to have a controversial former White House senior advisor on the show. The character is a thinly disguised Steve Bannon. In the end, Brown refuses to have him on the show.

The ep ends with Murphy Brown essentially insulting the guy personally as he lays out his point of view. She hits all the checkmarks: He's white. He's privileged. He's racist. His views are those of a dinosaur on its way out. Blah, blah, blah...

As a moderate Liberal, the whole episode left me cold. This is NOT the way to sway and influence the other side. At no point, did Murphy Brown actually address his arguments. She just metaphorically calls him an asshole.
This is a great way to further harden positions.

What was needed was the script writing skills of someone like Aaron Sorkin. Although he's well-known as a Hollywood liberal, his most noble characters (President Bartlett of The West Wing, Andrew Shepard of The American President) are known for expressing their views in the face of their opponents through a combination of moral indignation while appealing to the nobility in humanity.

I'll give this series another chance, but, if this is going to be the ongoing tone of it, I won't let the door hit me on the way out.

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I watched the first episode and knew it was just going to be doing the exact same thing as every other left leaning show does. Trump bad. Liberals are the good guys. Conservatives are evil. White men are privileged. Etc.
I'm not saying there won't be some good points made here and there, but it is literally the same talking points and approach so many other shows are already taking. I don't need to watch 5 different shows telling me how bad white people, conservatives and Trump are. It's all been said ad nauseam.

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That's true....the news tells you all that.

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Far-Left Murphy Brown Perfectly Captures Fake News

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/christian-toto/2018/12/01/far-left-murphy-brown-perfectly-captures-fake-news

By Christian Toto | December 1, 2018 1:30 PM EST
The creative force behind Murphy Brown 2.0 made it clear why the sitcom rose from its sitcom grave. Donald Trump. President Donald Trump, to be precise. The head of Warner Bros. asked for the reboot, thinking the show could be relevant again in the Age of Trump. English worried a reboot might tarnish the show’s Emmy-winning legacy – at first. She quickly came around, realizing she could weaponize the show against the current Commander in Chief.

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I'm a moderate Republican and agree that this show is about as subtle as a train wreck. HOWEVER, the message IS good. Yeah, yeah....they pick on Trump. Because Trump does things crying out to be ridiculed. Yeah, they called the alt-right a bunch of scared old men facing their inevitable fade to obscurity. And you know what? They are. It's the shift from what the Republican Party WAS when I joined in 1983 to what it devolved into in 2016 that had me change to Independent. I mean, they cheered a guy who was an Independent AND a Democrat as their new Republican hope. Think about that. And the remaining Republicans in power who AREN'T alt-right conspiracy nuts? They're so afraid for they're jobs that they handed over power. They DESERVE the ridicule they're getting.

Again, I'd prefer it if shows like this were less...sledgehammer but this is Murphy Brown. This show was doing this when it was first on.

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Good points. Again, they may make some good points and valid criticisms here and there, but it's not exactly a new or original take on current events. Why should a person watch Murphy Brown when they can get the exacts same content and dialogue from several other shows/outlets? I was never that into Murphy Brown back in the day and I am hard pressed to see what this current version is bringing to the table that isn't already out there.

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"They DESERVE the ridicule they're getting."

FWIW, I'm a Canadian watching things from afar. I only periodically watched the original series so maybe I was less attuned to its political ambitions.

Entertainment -- movies, tv, music -- can be a powerful force for change. What we seem to be seeing though with these re-booted shows is that they are just echo chambers for what's happening in the real world. Given that Hollywood has a reputation for extreme faux Liberalism, it's not surprising that most of them are anti-conservative / Trump.

I think that Trump is the worst thing to have happened to the US in a long, long time, but you can't simply ignore the grievances of his supporters. If there's any hope to bridging the canyon between the two extremes down there it has to be done with some empathy and subtle influence.

Comedy and humour especially iare means to bring people around... or, at the very least, maintain good will between dissenters. What I saw in this ep was just small-minded trash-talk, trying to disguise itself as comedy.

It probably doesn't help either that the media is already viewed with suspicion by a large swath of Americans. This ep just reinforces the notion that the liberal media has it in for old-guard conservatives.

I'll give it another chance, but, if this is going to be their tack, I'm out.

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I hardly ignore the grievances of his supporters, but there's another, more disturbing facet at play here. This isn't so much "This is a man I can be proud of" so much as it's "Wow, this guy is so bold and brash and entertaining!". It's like when Howard Stern in the 1900's ran for governor of New York (yep, he did that for a short time). Was he qualified? No. Was he the best man for the job? No. But he was entertaining and shocking and people tuned in to see how far he would go (no surprise, Stern is a long time friend of....Donald Trump). So either people are supporting him because he's shocking and entertaining and they get joy from that or they embrace his racist, misogynist views and they get joy from THAT. Obviously, I hope it's the former and not the latter.

But just as you are removed being in Canada, I'm a born and bred New Yorker. And long before he was hosting the Apprentice, we knew he was slime. He had a long history of screwing over contractors (for example, waiting until the work was done and then renegotiating the deal. Look it up.) and being better at branding then he was at business. So, to think that a portion of America who were largely good, solid working class people would look to a multimillionaire with a history of screwing over the working class and having more failed businesses than an abandoned strip mall and think he would save them means they are either willfully ignorant or easily led. And since they imbibe Fox News like it's water, I suspect it's both.

Notice that Trump, himself a native New Yorker, never does his little rallys in his home state. Where he SHOULD be a favorite son, he's a pariah. Because we've had decades of seeing through his schtick.

He doesn't deserve the ridicule he gets. He deserves much, much more.

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You like George Bush who started the Iraq war, but you don't like Trump because Trump is "racist and sexist"? That's not the reason. That's the reason ridicule does not work for you but rather against you. You're not Republican. You're uni-party. You'd be fine with Obama, Hillary, or whoever.

Stick to censorship. It's all your side has got.

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How can I be “uni party” yet have a “side”? Such geniuses Trump supporters are! And yes, Bush was 10 times the president Trump is. And Bush was NOT a great president.

It’s just that Trump and his supporters represent the lowest common denominator.

Oh, and it’s not censorship to tell children to be quiet so the adults can talk.

Now...go hush.

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Personally I think Hollyweird is killing itself. People are sick of having politics shoved in their faces. They did the same with the Will and Grace comeback. Do we care who these play pretend people vote for?

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Nobody's going to cry over the death of Hollyweird.

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Thank you!

Subtleness has gone the way of the Dodo Bird since that's one of the consequences of relaxing TV censorship (for better or worse). The preaching to the choir may be deliberate, make it more relatable for the audience watching the show. The show wants to debate, to where they let you know where they clearly stand on the issue at hand, not afraid of breaking a few hearts (not that I'm defending their intent). If they don't try to blatantly get their point across, they run the risk of looking like fools with no backbone, unwilling to get their feet wet. They want to look TOUGH! BRAZEN! FIERCE! (not going to hold anyone's hand so to speak). That's my take. Entrenched behaviors.

~~/o/

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All the points you make are why the show failed.

The only reason it was brought back from the crypt was to take shots at the current administration and it did so in a rather blatant way. It's funny these networks think a bygone show like Murphy Brown (Part 2) is going to be relevant when it plays into stereotypes and assumes the worst of half the viewing public. It's a lens into how these people live in an echo chamber and don't have a clue that the average American finds their characterization deeply insulting.

Script writers on these shows don't know the meaning of subtlety. They are all true believers in their causes, comedy be damned.

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