Too American


I remember watching this as a kid. I was expecting something funny, full of laughs and gags. I was sorely disappointed: the movie is an ok comedy, nothing special, not that funny and quite sappy in its message.
I don't know why it's such a cult classic in America.
But I'm coming to the conclusion that I completely missed the spirit of that holiday: travel difficulties, need to be with your family etc. which speaks true in USA, so that's why it's considered a minor classic for thanksgiving.

But it's quite cryptic anywhere else, making its message obscure because of this.
It's too American to be fully appreciated anywhere else.
By contrast, Trading Places is a classic everywhere.

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I didn't like this film when it 1st appeared on UK TV and I've not watched it since. But I don't think it's because it's too American - I found it unkind and uncomfortable which is a common fault with many alleged comedies. It's a pity because the two stars are are amongst my favourites and some of their films I've watched many times.
Also, agreed, Trading Places is a classic and still works.

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You have to get to the end. I'm sure you're familiar with the term "character arc."

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How DARE Americans make American movies! They should make Norwegian classics!

Do you hear yourself, and how absurd your argument is? Why would you expect an american movie to NOT be american? What does 'too american' mean anyway? And how can a movie about stock markets and wall street manipulations NOT be 'too american' for ya?

I have never lived in America, and when I saw this first, I had never even visited America, or USA, as I prefer to call it. Yet, me and my friends found this absolutely hilarious and relatable, and I appreciated its atmosphere, intensity and good musics as well as the brilliant acting performances.

So, obviously this movie was not 'too american' for us non-americans back in the day, and it has never felt 'too american' for me ever since, either. It's actually really cool to see movies from other cultures, and to be able to immerse yourself in the story in a different type of setting than you see every day.

What's 'too american' about it? It's not that sappy, when you compare to many other movies, and the scenes with Steve Martin and John Candy are such gold, you could forgive even more sappiness.

This movie couldn't have been more fully appreciated in the non-american country where I have been living, and I assure you, it wouldn't have been possible for me to appreciate this movie than I have.

You are simply wrong in your completely absurd and ludicrous accusation. This movie breaks all cultural bounds, and so what if it shows a little bit of american lifestyle, that's very interesting to see for those that do not live it every day. So if anything, it's PLEASANTLY american, not TOO american.

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Nope, it's unpleasantly unfunny because WAAY TOO American.
I explained cleary how so. And don't lie, this movie has no status nor following outside of USA and its colonies.

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EVERYONE disagrees with your explanation. You're clearly wrong.

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Why do you need to lie?

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I ain't lyin'.

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Yes you are. Read the thread and see.

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You are in denial of reality.

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Another one of your lies.

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Soak your head.

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I'm from Germany and I love this movie. It's a wonderful heartfelt movie about friendship.

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Yes, that shows exactly how you missed the whole Thanksgiving deal...

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do i need to understand that part? isnt it about celebrating the slaughtering of innocent people and stealing their food and land?

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That's my point exactly. The movie centers around the feel Thanksgiving has for Americans, which is: GOING BACK HOME AT ANY COST IN TIME FOR THAT DINNER.

The friendship, the characters, their personal problems, and the celebration of the slaughtering of "innocent" people is NOT part of that. Nobody gives a crap about that (and thanks) in America, it's about going back home to see family you otherwise wouldn't see, eating some turkey, maybe watching football.
Gotta be an American to get that, I tell ya.

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i wish i was more american to understand it, must be a great feeling :(

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I already explained Thanksgiving earlier in the thread--the holiday originated as a day to give thanks to God for the bounty he had provided for the first settlers--but you conspicuously ignored those posts. Therefore, I suspect you only created this thread to troll us all.

For religious Americans, this is still the focus of the holiday today. If you can't wrap your head around the concept of "giving thanks to God," then I daresay we might have bigger issues we need to deal with first. It's not a specifically American idea.

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Who cares what it originated from? Giving thanks to God???

If you truly believe that thanksgiving nowadays is a religious holiday for most Americans, than we know who's the one here with the issues.

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You said Thanksgiving isn't relatable. I'm telling you why it should be a relatable holiday for people of any nation, because people all around the world have things to be thankful for. It's really a pretty universal concept.

It's not called Thanks Giving for nothing. And yes, many American families do still actually GIVE THANKS on Thanksgiving. My family does, and there are many more families just like it throughout the country. Don't forget that America is still one of the most religious nations in the world. We are not like Western Europe.

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I'm sure lots of American families, probably most of them, give thanks on thanksgiving.
That doesn't mean they are thanking God, nor that they believe in God or any other religion. It's just a good tradition to do so.
America becomes religious only in rare occasions. Otherwise, it's just bigot. There's a difference between the two. And I think neither applies to American Christmas nor Easter, let alone Thanksgiving.

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How can someone who can't even relate to a film like PT&A because it's "too American" tell me what America is like or how religious people are in the country?

You've already outed yourself as someone who is not American and who doesn't understand American culture in your original post.

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Maybe because I know? Or how about because I live there?
Does it take to be an American to be able to understand America?
Or maybe it's a matter of being familiar with that culture?
Read my OP again. You figure it out.

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i didn't see that part in the movie,
gotta rewatch it this season

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Sorry, OP, that you are too closed-minded to be able to appreciate any popular entertainment from a country other than your own. In the U.S. we are generally more open to other cultures' comedy. But since I'm American I found the movie to be very funny, and I'm not going to lose any sleep over the sad fact that you didn't.

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Ahahahahahahah, that's a great one, I'm gonna send it for best joke of the century.

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I think it's just your personal taste. As a West Coast Californian I can say that the winter travel aspects to this movie are pretty alien to me as where I live the winter seasons don't cram our travel plans (unless you're from the Midwest and live out here). But all of the other aspects to this story are pretty universal as we see two very different characters tussle with each others' predicaments while trying to reach a common goal. It's a classic buddy film where the buddies don't bond until the end.

It also has a great twist and payoff in the end that speaks to the virtue of what Thanksgiving is all about, so it rings special to a lot of people who feel that Holidays like Thanksgiving have been reduced to Black Friday Xmas shopping and College/NFL football game watching.

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Yes exactly, isn't that my point?
The universal aspects come second to the background of this holiday.
Anybodygets those, but if you remove the thanksgiving bittersweet feel, it comes through as a not so funny on the road buddy comedy with too much hostility and perseverance for the nonthanksgiving viewers.

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The Thanksgiving Holiday isn't at the forefront of the story line though. It's all about how these two interact with each other thru every adversity. It doesn't matter if it's about Thanksgiving, Xmas, or his kids' graduation. I don't see how you can't identify with the story because of the Holiday which again doesn't come into the forefront until the end of the movie.

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Because most people don't really care about "making it" by getting back home for a holiday. If anything, they'd rather be AWAY from home, that's the only travel crazyness you see around holidays elsewhere: people getting away on vacation.
Maybe Christmas is the most similar, but who the hell takes the last minute trip home for Christmas? You're usually there for a couple of days, if not a week.

By contrast, Thanksgiving is really just about going back home. And it's mostly done like this, at the last minute, to be there for the dinner on thursday.

So what I'm saying is that these two guys were seriously desperate to get back in time, and it wasn't only them, but every travel system was congested because everybody had the same need as them.
But the Thanksgiving aspect I think is difficult to grasp in this, is the BITTERSWEET TONE of that holiday, which permeates the characters and the film.

Anyway, testament to what I'm saying is that this movie is held somewhat high in USA and is watched every year around november as a holiday mood setter, the rest of the planet couldn't care less about it and barely knows of its existance as just a silly travel comedy about missing planes and trains.

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I think it is because there is damn near nothing else that is not to sappy, or too funny, or too serious. This strikes the holiday not about as best as possible. American movies are exclusively to make money.

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Honestly, my favorite part of the movie is when Dell sticks up for himself in the hotel. This was probably his best acting scene in john Candy's career. It turned Dell from a goofy character into a human. You don't always see that in comedies of that time.

I grew up in the 80's and 90's. John Candy and Steve Martin were huge draws to the. Ox office. As a duo, they really nail the roles. Perhaps people is some countries don't like it, but my family in Austria love it. So there's an anecdote to the contrary.

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Yeah, I remember Steve Martin, John Candy, Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray all breaking out around the same time and being hugely popular. Of those four, Steve is my fave.

Unfortunately today John is dead, and Steve and Dan have almost completely disappeared from the movie landscape. Only Bill Murray is still active as an actor, though even he is largely out of the spotlight these days.

It's sad seeing guys get old, especially when those who replace them are inadequate.

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Amen.

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Well it's an American movie, so… Trading Spaces is American?

*Stares blankly at you*

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