where was the pleasure ? like with bondage there is pleasure in being bound but you also cant move . with S and M there is pain but some pleasure too
all there seemed to be was pain in this film and teasing of pleasure in the 2nd film
Frank doesn't want to go back for one thing so there seemed to be mostly pain
these flies will enjoy Simalia but should they? Brasseye
I don't think there's a lot of what the average Joe would consider pleasurable in Hell. It's not like they alternate between bloodletting and hot chicks giving blowjobs. At best, you might get a mutilated, razor-lipped chick giving blowjobs.
shareThe idea is that pain and pleasure are linked: after suffering terrible pain the slightest pleasure is magnified. As Frank says "Some things have to be endured, and that's what makes the pleasure so sweet".
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I don't think Pinhead ever let her slide. She promised to lead them to Frank which she did, and yet they still tried to take her. The way I see it, the cenobites don't care about good and evil(Pinhead says as much in Hellraiser III), and are attracted to all sorts of personality traits and desires. For example, Kirsty's pain from the loss of her mother and father might be desirable to the cenobites. Even Kirsty's mere curiosity over the box may be enough to summon them.
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Like the others were saying, It isn't what is normally perceived as pleasure. But, there are those that like the extreme, even if it is evil. I think Frank wanted, desired the extreme. He got it, but did not want to pay the ultimate price for it. I thought that if you got the pleasure you seek, then you were to become like a plaything for the Cenobites, and perhaps forced to do their bidding and doomed to their dimension. I haven't read the book, but that is my guess from seeing the film.
shareThe book seems to go even further into pleasure and pain being linked. In the books Franks senses are overwhelmed going from hearing- sight-smell-taste with the last being touch. The cenobites seem to be of a mind that pain and pleasure at their most extreme levels are interchangeable. For instance think of the most pleasing smelling flower you can think of. Now magnify the intensity of the smell. Eventually it will become overwhelming and will feel more like pain than pleasure to your nose. Its why people who open the box are not aware that they are not being given pleasure, they are being given the cenobites interpretation of what pleasure is (which is basically sensory overload)
shareThanks shonuff31986, your post makes me get the book soon.
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