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Sherlock vs. the cenobites.


This is the weirdest Hellraiser news I've seen in a while, but here it is, another book is coming out in 2016. http://bizzammovienews.com/2015/10/25/sherlock-holmes-to-go-head-to-head-with-the-cenobites-of-hellraiser/

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C'mon, it's a new Hellraiser book. I figure someone else must be excited about it. It's not like there's anything to discuss on the film front atm.

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I find it rather silly, to be honest.

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I don't see how it's any different than Harry D'Amour vs. Pinhead, it just happens that D'Amour is already part of the Barker canon. I guess you could say it's silly for Sherlock Holmes since those stories are normally set in a realistic world with no supernatural elements, but it doesn't hurt Hellraiser.

After Inferno, I wondered how a story about a detective investigating one of the cenobites grisly scenes would play out(in the real world rather than in a personal Hell made to resemble the real world).

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In-universe makes all the difference to me. Harry D'Amour has appeared in many Clive Barker stories, so no big deal. And no, it doesn't hurt Hellraiser, but I do think it hurts Sherlock Holmes. Public Domain, which Holmes stories now find themselves, will more than likely see more silliness done with the character. Of course, I hate it when they make crap like Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter as well. A good detective story could be written around the Hellraiser story as you suggest, but why does it have to be Sherlock Holmes? Oh well, just my opinion. 

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It has to be Sherlock Holmes because that's the story Paul Kane wanted to write. He's a fan of both universes and this is a story he's wanted to write for years. For whatever reason, he feels they fit together.

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Maybe Paul Kane will write Huckleberry Finn versus Pinhead next? It'd be just as silly in my opinion. Hey, let's pit Pinhead against classic literature!!!!!

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I'm a little biased: I'm a huge Sherlock Holmes fan - mostly the stories from ACD himself, but some pastiches are good too.
And I love Barkers universe (although poor Pinhead & Co had a lot to suffer from bad movies, much more than our dear detective, Barkers stories and most of the comics are quite good though). But this sounds a bit like fanfiction - which is not necessarily wrong, I 've read a very decent Hellraiser/Doctor Who fanfiction a while ago -, but the author has chosen two very popular and complex fandoms to combine and there is just so much, that can be wrong.

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The writer can feel they fit all he wants, that doesn't make it so. The only who can say that is Clive, and last I'm heard is he had enough oh the hellraiser stuff, and this is possibly one of the things he doesn't like.

Maybe he has had a change of mind on the subject, may be not.

I presumed the Scarlett Gospels (if I'm thinkinh of the right book) was Clive attempting to draw a line under the hellraiser stuff, if thats what he wants maybe everyone else should as well.

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The cenobite scenes usually all disappear though right? In the first movie Frank was ripped apart in the attic, but all the blood disappeared and he sank into the floorboards as a skeleton.

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I don't think he sank into the floor, I think the entirety of his remains were taken and after Larry bled on the floor, he began regrowing under the floorboards, starting with just a heart.

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The cenobite scenes usually all disappear though right? In the first movie Frank was ripped apart in the attic, but all the blood disappeared and he sank into the floorboards as a skeleton.


The blood and everything else was taken to the other dimension, or hell, or whatever you want to call it. I thought that was made clear when Pinhead solved the box and everything disappeared. Larry's blood on the floor provided a means by which Frank was able to cross back over into our world, slowly regrowing as more and more blood was supplied.

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