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Why do some people hate the 2nd half?


Is it really cause they wanted more Hartman/Ermey colorful abuse and lingo? It was enjoyable, but it could have worn out its welcome real fast.

If anything, without that 2nd half, all the stress and endurance conveyed on screen would have amounted to nihil. All the new characters, like Rafterman, Animal Mother and the interview scenes etc..... really drive home the whole point of the 2nd half, as well as a bit of the first: war is madness

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The 'second half sucked' crowd has been posting here for years. Part one is definitely a LOT more simple in terms of protagonist, arc, characters, conflict and resolution. The second half is much more ambiguous and open to interpretation which, as I have always maintained, doesn't hold much appeal for a large segment of the population. As well, a lot were upset that an entire platoon could be pinned down and sniped by a teenage girl so that was unsettling but I liked how all the training in the world can not compensate for a desperate situation. Humans are still susceptible to emotion overriding logic and I think that is difficult for a lot of people to accept as well.


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I like the second half more.

Besides the themes of duality, morality, and all that, I really like the urban setting of Vietnam. Almost all other Vietnam movies are situated in the jungle. This one is a nice exeption to that!

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FMJ was basically two movies. The first a no nonsense coming of age boot camp film. The second a politicized war film. I liked them both but can understand why the second film annoyed many viewers.

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Is it really cause they wanted more Hartman/Ermey colorful abuse and lingo? It was enjoyable, but it could have worn out its welcome real fast.


Whilst I quite enjoyed Ermy's colourful language, I don't think it wore out its welcome, maybe if the entire movie had it then yes, but we watching him humiliate and torment a young recruit in an effort to break him in half and rebuild him. All along you get the feeling that somethings gonna give and Pyle will eventually snap, but it's a matter of how and when will it happen.

The 2nd just wasn't very interesting to me after we saw what happened in the first half. It just didn't feel like a Vietnam movie.

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Because it was boring. If one is watching a Vietnam war movie, we want it to be like Rambo 2 or Missing in Action

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I enjoy the second half. People may not like it because it's just another war film while the boot camp first half is more unique with Hartman and Pyle.

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It's not all that unique though, considering Hartman recycled dialogue from An Officer and a Gentleman.

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Lee Ermey's lines were from his having been a Drill Instructor and also taken from The Short Timers novel. Nothing came from An Officer and a Gentleman.

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The second half is the only good part - great action and that war zone set they built for the battles looks authentic.

The first half just showcases all the worst aspects of human cruelty. It's depressing.

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The second half is just been-there done-that. Some scenes in the second half flat out suck, like the dialog exchange between Joker and Animal Mother...was that dialog meant to be funny? Realistic? Was it even written by a human being? Lot's of great stuff in the second half though, like the news interview montage and Cowboy dying.

The first half is refreshing; how many movies have such an immersive look at military boot camp that's not for the sake of humor? I know other movies HAVE boot camp scenes but compared to stuff like Stripes or Bolixi Blues, the first half of Full Metal Jacket is like another planet. And R Lee Ermy's performance is one of the best of the 80's. The film begins to suffer hard without being grounded by such an amazing performance.

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