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Great first half, 2nd half was dull ....really dull


The training was fantastic and great performances all round..

2nd half was boring...


I don't normally hate slow paced movies,and I like more of the realistic elements as much as possible.That said,movies have to entertain. Being realistic or factually correct isn't enough,there has to be a little bit of that entertainment factor whether it be comedy or tragedy.

I like Eyes wide shut,2001( still think it's a little bit overrated but definitely 8/10 for me) and other Kubrick's works.But the second half of the movie could be much better in my opinion .It was a huge letdown after seeing the first half.

Some of the things I didn't like much about the second half...

1.The joker was never interesting enough for me the whole movie.Sure,you'd say that normally that's what soldiers would look like.But ,there are always interesting characters when we're in a group. The joker was not ,at least for me.I only really like Adam Baldwin from the 2nd half.Maybe it was the actor I don't know,Joker just didn't captivate me to have any serious interest in him whatsoever.

2.Before the final climax which was very anticlimatic by the way, how dumb were they speaking out loud giving instructions to where they were going using their voices and saying out loud when they enter the building? They didn't maintain complete silence.Far lesser movies have the soldiers use hand gestures for such a situation,these are the marines and they were really that careless....... why,why? they could easily die???Unbelievable!!!
Yet,the girl was there at the same position even after they threw the smoke and she would not have at least a little bit of suspicion? The director led us believe that she was a really great shot by not using even focals on top of the rifle!!!!!!What a great Vietnamese warrior. On top of that she possess very little of survival instincts!!Just can't believe that crap.

Joker ,killing her...What's the big deal?We've seen plenty of similar situations in different movies,the protagonists having to defeat their morals and do something nasty.What's the big deal here?If this was all the point of the movie,I'd say it's poorly done or in better words that was no way superior than many many films in which we've seen similar incidents.. the protagonists having to kill someone..duh... This movie's considered a classic,that's why we expect something epic,and this was not.

3.Now,this much is clear.If this movie is made by Michael Bay or any other action movie director today,it wouldn't be a classic.This is considered one due to the unique and great first half and the fact that the director is Stanley Kubrick. If you believe otherwise you most probably are a 'Kubrick can do no wrong' type of fan .Kubric has cult following....That's the only reason ....If he was a nobody, they'd have forgotten this movie already

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If you like other Kubrick's movies you should really watch it a second time, the second part of the movie really grows on you after a while.

Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track

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nah...i'll pass. That movie's over glorified just because it's a Kubrick film.If it was Michael Bay's movie or M night's or an unknown director ,nobody would give a *beep* I won't see it again anytime soon.

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Bay would never be able to make a movie like this in the first place so what`s your arguement? That said, this isnt my favorite Kubrick. Not even close. I do understand some of the points you`re making but it`s not a dull movie. I just always thought
" hey, where did the third act go???!! "
This movie could easily have another 45-60 minutes more. But with what we got this is still a great movie.







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If he were ,nobody would care.That's my point. Kubrick has a huge fan following and with a good reason too. If this was made by some unpopular director,it'd be nowhere near the classic masterpiece as it's often considered,not even close

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nah...i'll pass. That movie's over glorified just because it's a Kubrick film.If it was Michael Bay's movie or M night's or an unknown director ,nobody would give a *beep* I won't see it again anytime soon.


Can't you see a movie without thinking about who directed it? I mean, that goes against the whole experience if you start watching the movie thinking about WHO directed it. Thus it removes you from the place you need to be in if you are going to get a positive experience - this goes for all movies really, not only Kubrick's.

Rewatch after you have reprogrammed your brain into a non-biased state of mind. Be open to what comes onto the screen, the music, the dialogue, the characters and how they interact - not starting to get annoyed by "bad acting", why certain things progress as they do - learn to be in the moment, not the past or future.

I'm guessing you are a very young man without the proper mental capacity to do this, but it can be overcome with mental exercises. I however enjoyed this movie as I saw it first time when I was 18. I am now 44 and I am still able to see this movie without thinking "Kubrick" or if I dislike one or two of the actors. Life is not like that, we don't get to chose most of the people we meet and interact with.

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Haha...That's funny.. Should I like every movie I watch? Nope.I don't like this.End of story. There are many who like it and I'm not one of them.I just gave my opinion about the movie since it somehow disappointed for me. I don't try to change other's opinions who like the movie..Just pointing out my thoughts is all. I get what you said about switching off..In fact ,I do in many cases. For example,I like Lost.They bring different storylines time travel,mystery,supernatural elements etc. I said,"Wow"!!Haha..I doubt you even like that,because most of the things happening later are beyond logic.

[I'm guessing you are a very young man without the proper mental capacity to do this, but it can be overcome with mental exercises.]

Of course,I'm young.But,you also have to remember,there is generational bias all the time. Those who witnessed Kubrick in his prime and have been fans of him will be pretty biased towards him.The same thing is happening with Christopher Nolan.Younger fans usually like him and the older movie fans are little indifferent towards him,because they've seen other directors in their prime. So,they just won't accept Nolan among the greats yet.Even some younger fans are indifferent towards him because some of his fans are annoying.When something's hugely popular,there are always someone who dislike that.

You may be right about the mental capacity ...MAYBE!!! I don't like Sopranos that much.I finished it but took some two to three weeks gap in between while I binged watched it.I even thought of stopping it altogether.I finished watching it however.I think it's still good but not 9/10 good for me. However,I really liked 'The Wire', I don't remember how long I took to finish watching it.But,I binge watched it and completed the whole series pretty fast .So,be my guest and judge if you want...

May I ask if you have the mental capacity to watch Adam Sandler movies?Not expecting you to watch in a theatre...just on TV...

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First of all, no one in here is trying to undermine your experiential quality. If we watch a movie, we are bound to witness exactly what is the mindset of what is our subjective experience and expectations towards this particular movie. What we see is exactly what we kind of want to see. We have watched movies for entertainment purposes for well over few generations now, to the point where we take for granted that we don't have to regurgitate any information about what we've seen. But there are not a lot of directors these days who put out amazing artistic experiences that will leave you baffled decades after viewing.

Yes, I am a fanboy, and Stanley Kubrick is by far the greatest movie director this world has ever seen, but I don't believe this overrides what I'm trying to say. I agree with your opinion about 'generational preference'; kids growing up these days don't understand the passive-aggressiveness, the devastatingly morbid subtlety or the humor stemming from the insanity of the entire human experience that Kubrick repeatedly portrayed in his films. Movie-goers these days, even the ones with a niche for artistic portrayals of concepts, seek instant gratification. The whole medium of a movie has become so pastime for us that we have an indie band so 'cleverly' called "French Films".

And Kubrick has always overthrown that in his films: we always see his main characters irrevocably trade away something that defines their integral core. We see people witnessing their most dreaded nightmares become reality. We see it with no sugar-coating whatsoever. We see it in ACO when Dave realizes he has to let his dead friend go to save himself, in Barry Lyndon where he finally realizes after all his successfullness that dying has none of the glory he thought, The Shining where a troubled family man attempts to brutally destroy in all levels on what he values the most, in FMJ where Joker faces the repercussions of how he betrayed the one he always strove to nurtre, and finally on EWS when a family conceptually falls apart when none of it actually matters. Us viewers never see something we would like to see: what Kubrick always delivers is the beauty in how cognitive dissonance placed against western sense of morality plays out in real life. It is ugly, it has no glory, it has none of the assumed repercussions, but most of all: it is devastatingly indifferent. To me, Kubrick had a funky way of reiterating Nietzsche's nihilism on steroids.

To me, each of Kubrick's films is a manifest of how stupid - in all of its fabricated and self-enthroned intellect - can humanity be even during the most civilized of times. To me, Kubrick attempts to show how animal we always are regardless of our societal class, ideological stance or anything of the likes: we are animal, and that is what we will ever be. I'm fairly sure that none of the current move binge-watchers will find his movies entertaining, they are far too complex even to the obvious eye. But he made all of his movies in a manner that will shudder these people: they will not like the cinematographical choices he made, they will shy away from the general atmosphere, or they will find his depictions of violence far too haunting.

What I meant to say is, that don't be so stupid to overlook anything that you know is made by a person who doesn't care about making a product. Always respect art, because those people always pinpoint the erroneous paradigms we know exist but are not yet within our domain of conscious thought. That being said, Kubrick is one of the finest existential artists known to man. His work is right on par with Jeremy Bentham, Ludwig van Beethoven, Friedrich Nietzsche, Oscar Wilde, Albert Einstein, Benoit Mandelbrot, Stephen Hawking and Nick Bostrom.

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Your last paragraph is too far stretched. What baffles me is how soe of the things made zero sense and his fans aren't ready to ctiticise those things...

1.were they were amateur marines?Not highly experienced but still marines and most of them had already some battle experience in the second half.Would they be that carless while their lives were hanging by a thread..Why didn't they use hand gestures? Name calling right on the spot.. We may be heard..Let's keep silence.Even Sly and ARNOLD wouldn't do such stupid things if they were in a similar situation even in real life...

2. The vietnamese sniper didn't use focals.. How accurate was she?She was very lethal..With such an experience,I think she would've suspected their arrival when they threw the smoke and she would definitely moved places in real life..

3.Joker..I don't really care for him..I think I even cared more about the Vietnamese sniper..

That's how it worked for me...ruining an average 2nd half in the process

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First of all, no one in here is trying to undermine your experiential quality.


That other patronising self-entitled guy clearly was.

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I agree completely. The Vietnam part was such a letdown after the fantastic training part.

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Vietnam had many memorable moments.

The hooker, camera thief, and Kung Fu moves at the thief.

"Inside every **** is an American trying to get out."

"The Jungian thing."

"Well, pilgrim, only after you eat the peanuts out of my ****!"

"Sir ... does this mean that Ann-Margret's not coming?"

The young men/boys singing the mickey Mouse Club theme.

Female sniper.

Etc.

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Exactly. Borefest, boring, bad movie.... 1st half or so was good tho

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I honestly think this is a troll post. If the movie had only the boot camp scenes, this movie would be only 40 minutes long! And no movie should have a run time of 40 minutes!

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Not a troll at all.Did you even read what I said?

If Rush hour does not get a 7/10 rating,neither should this movie..

Overrated is what it is...

Doesn't mean you can't like the movie..Like this movie?
Good.But ,don't act like this is one of the best films ever made.It's far from that..

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If Full Metal Jacket is one of the best movies ever made, then you should like the entire movie, not just the first part!

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Agree loved the 1st half, 9/10 for that part, second half was qiote dull. After watching the 1st half you should watch Saving private Ryan.

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I wouldn't say it sucks, it wasn't that boring for me and Saving Private Ryan wasn't much better than that second half of FMJ, i think both films are a bit overrated, i give both 8/10 but i still prefer Full Metal Jacket. Vietnam films are dark and i love that, not dull for me, i've seen like five and FMJ was my least favorite.

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I guess I'm the exception. I like the second half more than the first one.

English isn't my 1st language. I'm sorry for any mistakes in grammar, spelling...

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I really enjoy the Vietnam part of the film it has some great characters like Animal Mother and funny sequences like when the squad is being interviewed individually by the camera crew they all get good lines there.😊

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R. Lee Ermey was so good that he simply overshadows the rest of the movie after he's dead, and you just want to see more of him.

Add to that, "Vietnam" just looks too fake and takes you out of the movie, and frankly, Matthew Modine just isn't interesting enough as an actor to compensate or hold it together.

Once Ermey dies, I'm out.

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Would you have liked it more if Anthony Michael Hall wasn't replaced?

In the March 1985 issue of Moviegoer, it seemed like he was actually cast instead of just being merely considered. Writer Jim McKairnes wrote: "And now the 16-year-old actor will tackle the coveted lead role of a Vietnam-bound Marine in the upcoming Full Metal Jacket."

Jim asked AMH: "How does it feel to have the starring role in the next Stanley Kubrick movie?"

AMH replied: "I'm still blown away when I think about it. I'm flattered and really happy."

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just look at the visuals, they're amazing


Seeing a Vietnam that looks nothing like Vietnam, and instead looks like a cheap, crappy substitute at Pinewood Studios isn't amazing visuals.

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