Clone transport


What if every time you transported you died but a clone was appeared ....?









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What if every time you transported you died but a clone was appeared ....?

There is no way to prove that a beamed-in human is or isn't a copy, or whether the original lived or died. A copy wouldn't know it's a copy, and no one else can tell either by interrogation or physical examination. Is the landing party dead? Who knows - is your ouija board working?

I've always believed that this is a fatal flaw with the entire concept of transporters (or deathporters, as I call them). You can send my luggage that way, but I'll never set foot in one of those damned things.

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Scared, FKA? It is peculiar.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. RIP William Christopher. 2016 is the worst!

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There is no way to prove that a beamed-in human is or isn't a copy, or whether the original lived or died.


It's exactly what happened with Riker(s).

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But what if your clone degraded slightly with each transport?
You eventually be transparent and dumb as a rock!😀

If they transported your luggage, would it really be YOUR underwear you'd be pulling on the next day?
- need the Outer Limits song here-

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If they transported your luggage, would it really be YOUR underwear you'd be pulling on the next day?
- need the Outer Limits song here-


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CtjhWhw2I8

Your underwear will become transparent Nak. 

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A difference which makes no difference is no difference.

If what walks out of that transporter room is practically identical to that which walked into a transporter room, does it matter? Sure, if there is pattern degradation deal with that, but if it is essentially the same, it is the same.

Jake Meridius Conhale, at your service!
"Old Man" of the BSG (RDM) boards.

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If what walks out of that transporter room is practically identical to that which walked into a transporter room, does it matter?

My issue is this: How do we know whether consciousness (soul, spirit, katra, psyche, etc., call it what you will) is actually transferred to the other end, or if it's only copied? You see, if what walks out of that transporter room is experiencing a copy of the consciousness that walked into a transporter room, that means that the one that walked in has ceased; or in other words, it died.

The real insidiousness of this problem is that there's no test that can determine whether consciousness is transferred or copied. Any copy of me is going to think it's the original, and if I'm dead, I certainly won't be able to tell anyone about it.

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I think it'd be easier to travel, obviously, but it would be worrisome.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. RIP William Christopher. 2016 is the worst!

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The real insidiousness of this problem is that there's no test that can determine whether consciousness is transferred or copied. Any copy of me is going to think it's the original, and if I'm dead, I certainly won't be able to tell anyone about it.
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So, if I hit on Picard on say Monday, and he turned me down and then on Tuesday he transports to the planet and the back,
If I hit on him Wednesday, he might accept because he is a different person?
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I never got that they were different.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. RIP William Christopher. 2016 is the worst!

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That's not how it works Nak don't tell me how it works but let's say we'll have the Heisenberg compensator for that. 

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I thought it was reversing the polarity of the bussard collector?🤔

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"Let's go with what she says" ⬆

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I have the transporter room playset. It's pretty awesome.



RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. RIP William Christopher. 2016 is the worst!

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Does it actually work CJ?

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It does. I bought it brand new, I believe. Sound effects and everything. It's actually really neat.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. RIP William Christopher. 2016 is the worst!

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What if every time you transported you died but a clone was appeared ....?


Technically that's exactly what happens.


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"Technically that's exactly what happens."

No, it isn't.

I know that from the typically nihilistic, physical worldview, any biological mass is just as good as another, and individualism is defined by molecules alone. So you can be destroyed, disintegrated, taken apart, disassembled, and then re-integrated, re-assembled, put together, re-integrated and composited back together by molecules alone.

However, not even identical twins are identical, and clone ONLY has to do with the physical body. So even if your physical body was copied 100% exactly, it would just be dead organic mass ('science' hasn't been able to revive a dead body even 1 second after the 'silver cord' is cut, and the soul leaves the body permanently - so, YOU, and thus, LIFE, needs more than the body to exist as a living entity), and in any case, not you.

But even if someone COULD be cloned into a living entity, it would have someone else's soul. Or it would not actually be living, it would be like organic robot, kept artificially 'alive' (or at least 'animated', because it would not be alive without a soul) by some kind of energy flows (just like a mechanic robot would).

What happens in transporters (not that THAT kind of transport would ever work as intended - another kind of transporting technology would be required to teleport living beings successfully), is that your body is disassembled and then re-assembled in another place, and your soul is connected to this bunch of molecules, because the silver cord doesn't get cut - so you basically reincarnate into this newly-created body right after the body has been transported (you can move at the speed of thought in the astral plane, so distance and speed are not problems).

The unrealistic bits are:

- Why reassemble people's bodies EXACTLY as they were, with sicknesses, old age, wrinkles, and all damages and injuries, if you don't have to? Every transport trip would basically create a PERFECT VERSION of the body..

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- The transported individual suffers _NO_ ill effects from the procedure, although they should AT LEAST be groggy, like you would be after just waking up from a deep sleep. When the soul leaves the body and then comes back (especially into a completely new, freshly-created body it's not familiar with - the energy would be a bit different even if the molecular composition is exactly the same), it takes awhile to adjust. And yet these people have a pose, and arrive in that same pose and can keep going as if nothing happened.

- They often transport 'dangerous' things, like unauthorized weapons and such - so it's possible for a diplomat to smuggle poison into a spaceship, etc. Transporter would make illness, old age, and any smuggling of anything completely 100% impossible (at least if someone thought it through)

We also need to realize that someone living in a body that looks like you is NOT you. A clone is not you. A clone can never be you. You are your soul, regardless of what kind of body you live in, or what the body looks like, you are your own, individual self. Each identical twin is their own selves, they are not each other.

What kind of primitive world is this, when people's thinking doesn't even rise above the petty "if it looks like someone, then it must BE that someone"? Come on, stop to think about things once in awhile, please.

The way a transporter like that would work in REAL life, would not actually disassemble anything - it would just raise the frequency of the energy field around the body, OR the body itself (somewhat more dangerous), OR have a capsule of sorts (a small UFOship, if you will), that can rise to a higher plane of existence by manipulating its shell's surface energy field's vibration frequency, and then travel at super fast speeds in that higher plane, and then lower the frequency back to the physical level after arriving at the destination.

It would be just as fast, if not faster technique..

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..and it wouldn't need all these silly 'is a bunch of molecules arrange to look like you the same thing as you'?

And OF COURSE there would be a way to know if someone is a clone or not (no one is really a clone, everyone is a soul, regardless of whether they exist in a physical body or not, or what that body may or may not look like), and personality would be instantly different and memories would vary completely, if a different soul incarnated instead of the intended soul, and if there's NO soul whatsoever, then the differences would be even easier and quicker to detect.

I don't get the thinking where people can somehow reconcile the stupidity of 'it looks like me, so it must be me' with 'a human being is only a bunch of molecules'. Where's the soul? Why doesn't anyone talk about what happens to YOU, instead of what happens to the BODY?

YOU are not your BODY, everyone knows this basic fact about life, RIGHT?

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