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So if Jake gave his bro the car, wouldn't the cops try to arrest him?


I think someone else posted that too. At the end of the movie, he gives the car to his brother and then he rides off with his girlfriend. That would be hilarious and bad if his first day of being the new owner of the car involed him driving around and then he gets arrested and put in the slammer for the kills that happened, while his brother is off with his girlfriend living it up. Nice brother. lol. But really, what the hell are you supposed to do with a car that has been killing people?

I am not making fun of the movie, but it makes you think about the ending. lol. As a matter of fact, I am a die hard Wraith fan and have loved it since ever.

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That is a really good point. Perhaps it was overlooked during the writing of the script?

Maybe it would have made more sense to have Jake drive off with the car after meeting with his brother to pick up Kerri in it. With some changes in script that might have been a very powerful ending.

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the cops wouldnt arrest him. the cops didnt like packards bunch. they were more likely goign to bother him about not having the vehicle registered. id also be willing to bet he didnt have liability insurance on the car. nonetheless, its a good movie learn to suspend disbelief.

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"the cops wouldnt arrest him. the cops didnt like packards bunch."

Is that how it works? A policeman's own, individual likes and hates define how he does his job. How nice, how equal, how law-abiding. Not.

A police has to do their job REGARDLESS of whether he likes or hates the victims of murders, for crying out loud! And every single cop doesn't necessarily have an opinion about them anyway.

What good is a cop that lets his own feelings about people affect how well he does his job? A cop that hates everyone would simply never arrest a murderer, he would just say "good riddance". And you would be ok with that? That's how it's supposed to work? If a murder-victim is unpleasant, then the police doesn't have to do his job?

That must be a great relief to the cops. They might just start hating many victims just to avoid unnecessary work - in fact, they would never have to work again!

Get real, man! They can't just choose who they arrest based on whether they LIKED a 'bunch' or not!

Having said that, how would the cops explain how Jamie's brother did it in court? "Well, he simply raced the gang, one by one, and then took off with great speed, and then stopped the car in the middle of the road. By the time a gang member reached his car, it was too late to brake, so he drove right into the black car, which then exploded, and afterwards the gang member's car exploded as well. Somehow Jamie's brother made sure that the bodies didn't explode though, and carved their eyes out because he is low on eggs in the burger place where he works. We don't know how he stopped the gang member's bodies from exploding, burning, or even heating up, or how he had time to scrub the bodies so clean before the eye-gauging. But we do know he somehow re-assembled the exploded black car and drove away. And he did this several times, and once turned the car to pure energy, which then continued to spread to different directions as balls of light, and made the sky burn in blue flame"

I don't think that story would hold very well..

And in addition, how would the cops explain where he got the car from? I mean, if he's the murderer, he must have BUILT the car by himself, or bought it from somewhere? If the car is really seen as the murder weapon, the cops would have way too many questions to answer than they would be able to, to make the case stick in court. And who's to say it's the SAME car? It could be just a car that looks identical. It's at least as plausible in court as any of that other stuff, and the cops couldn't prove any of it in any case. Innocent, until proven guilty, you see.

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It's called a public service killing & cops look the other way all the time. You may not think it's right & it may be against the oath they took as officers but they know that many times justice is best served outside of a court of law.

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Yes, and small town justice is different than big city justIce.
I also did wonder what would happen when it came for his license plate to be updated, and how he explained that. Glad someone else wondered about things like that too.

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My only guess it that it was a lead-in to a sequel... he gets the car and goes on to fight crime avenging people's deaths on a cross-country vigilante tour. Kinda like the Littles Hobo meets Knight Rider. lol

grrr arg

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some of you missed the part where randy quaid sees jake and keri in front of her house and the car is sitting there. he saw the whole thing of him morphing go down and he knew it was really jamie so the window rolling up was kind of symbolic of "ok, the guys who killed him are dead, case closed and im done with it all"

IM RUNNIN THIS MONKEY FARM NOW FRANKENSTEIN! AND I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE F&$K UR DOIN WITH MY TIME!

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"...id also be willing to bet he didnt have liability insurance on the car."

Freakin' hilarious.

I was going to post the exact same question because honestly, its one big plot hole. Moreover, how'd you explain it?

Billy: "Check out my new ride..."
Friend: "Oh man, that's *beep* sweet, bro! Where'd you get it? How'd you get it? I mean, on your hourly wage at Big K's Burgers Im just dumbfounded that you could afford this."
Billy: "ummm...I won it?...in a raffle?"

And Im sure Chrysler would be pretty damn curious as to how the hell thier M4 concept car ended up in New Mexico.

Still a great movie though. I still recall the first time I saw it when I was seven, I was home from school sick. There is NOTHING better at seven then chicken noodle soup and "The Wraith".

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the fuzz didnt know the car was killing everyone so he had nothing to worry about. he is a good brother.

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Eh, I'd rather have the Triumph. :-)

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Also, the cops NEVER had any evidence that the Wraith Turbo Interceptor had caused any accidents. No one, apart from the victims, saw the WTI parked lengthways across the highway around blind corners, waiting. And it was always way too late for them to tell anybody what they saw. Cos they exploded on contact.

There was not even evidence of the WTI at the scenes of destruction as it didn't leave any debris behind.

Even though there was that whole chase where the WTI knocks the whole front off of that cop car, they could only do Billy for speeding and damaging a cop car.

The same way that Loomis couldn't prosecute Packard and his gang for killing Jamie.
Because the body was missing, there was no proof.

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I say....I don't think I noticed the word "dodge" stenciled into the rear windshield of the car until the end. Jamie stenciled it in so the cops wouldn't recognize it as the "killer car".

Yes, I'm kidding. Logic be damned this movie was cool.

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plus there was no damage on the Interceptor....:-P

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Yep, I am a big fan of the movie as well but regardless have often asked myself the very same question. There's no doubt it's a major plothole.

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Also, I expect that Billy's alibi is iron tight. It looked like he worked at Big Kay's for hours and probably would have been surrounded by co-workers during the Wraith attacks. The Interceptor appears at Big Kay's when Billy is being bullied by Packard's gang so he couldn't be suspected as the driver. Most likely the cops/feds would just take the car away for examination.

Now that would be a cool scene. The Turbo Interceptor being studied in a police lab!

It could pull all sorts of K.I.T.T. style tricks as they try to breach it.

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"Most likely the cops/feds would just take the car away for examination. "

With what authority?

Do you really think ANYONE can even touch your property without your permission, if you haven't broken the law - even if they are feds, cops, or whatever? A badge doesn't give anyone the right to break the law (which "taking" the car would be - there's a better word for it: STEALING).

No one can take your property lawfully, unless you have consented to being governed by a system where it's stated that you must give it away to a badge holder.

If the car is REGISTERED (Regis = king - when you register your property, it becomes the King's property, and you have only the user rights), for example, and you have all kinds of licenses and you don't own the allodial title to it - then sure, they can take and impound it away all they want.

But I don't think a car made in another world/dimension would fall under that kind of jurisdiction, so the only way they can "just take the car away" is to either trick Jamie's brother (he looks pretty trickable) into forming (even verbal) contracts with them that gives them authority to do so, or do it unlawfully (steal it). They can also do it by 'intimidating' him into 'co-operation' which would mean he would voluntarily give it to them.

So there are plenty of ways they could technically get the car, lawfully and unlawfully, but they can't "just take the car" - and if Jamie's brother happens to know how the law works, and what the legal system is (it's not law), and so forth, there's no way they can ever take the car lawfully.

You seem to have pretty conformist-fascistic worldview, if you think someone can just take your property away just because they wear certain kind of clothes or metal figurines.

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More points about this Jamie's brother being innocent-thing.

Wouldn't he have ALIBI many times when the explosions happened? I mean, he must have been somewhere with other people at least sometimes when it happened. Remember how the cop went to talk to him, when he was busy working in the burger joint after the explosion of the gang garage (if I remember correctly)? That'd already be proof that he couldn't have driven that car.

The cops have also seen with their own eyes what the car has done, especially the 'sky burning in blue flame' bit. Would the cops really think this weak guy could somehow perform such an effect?

There's NO way the cops would believe this guy is guilty of the murders (if they can even be called that, since the murderer is a ghost, and thus not really a force courts can touch, and the method is 'car accident'), and there's even less of a way they could prove it, no matter what kind of car he drives now.

The cops can't prove how this kid manufactured such a car, where he bought the parts, there's no 'Earthly trail' of any kind to follow, no receipts, no engine manufacturers to talk to, no witnesses to this car even having been built, no corporate logo, etc.

The cops might be very interested in taking apart the car, and they may get it due to it being a suspected murder weapon, but they couldn't pin the crimes on the 'bro', and everything taken into account, would probably not even consider pursuing a case against him.

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The cop put the two and two together and saw that the murders were no coincidence and whatever happened to Packard and his gang was justice served. case closed. They will never ever speak of this turbo interceptor car ever again...it never happened to them...

He was accepting what was happening or maybe let go of it because he knew the turbo interceptor was unstoppable and would rather leave it alone...lots of unsolved murders and crimes are closed and they attribute it to gang activity, mutual combat and quarrel, or whatever...

Packard and his gang being wiped out was a gift to that Arizona community...

As for Billie and the car, others mention it above...he has an alibi...

LOL...The cops probably nod their heads at Turbo Interceptor as he cruises around the streets...

"We've witnessed your human capacity for war. It would absolutely bring more harm than good."

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Obviously you need to suspend disbelief for this, as with much of the movie as it is about an alien ghost car wreaking vengeance from beyond the grave.

Yes, Billie has an alibi.

Loomis knows it is Jamie. He puts it together mostly before seeing Billie at the burger joint. Loomis let the Wraith take its course as he knew that it would end with Packard and that Packard had it coming. The Wraith did not hurt or kill any innocent person.

Loomis would know that the car was given to Billie by Jamie, as a message confirming who he was and why he did what he did.

What stands for real suspension of disbelief is the fact that Billie does not suspect Packard (this may have been mentioned in this thread or elsewhere). Every time I watch it I want to beat him up twice as much as Packard does. He is a known criminal, he threatens everyone with beatings or death, covets Keri (who also does not realized that Packard killed him) and even makes comments about Jamie's death. It would have been more believable if everyone knew it was Packard and were afraid to stand up to him. I highly doubt everyone in a small town in Arizona is that stupid.

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No, because immediately after Packard's demise Sheriff Loomis himself says it's over. When one of his deputies balks, he tells the guy there's no point in stopping what cannot be stopped and besides--there's nobody left in Packard's gang to kill.

This attitude is punctuated by the very last scene where Loomis watches Jake/Jamie ride off into the night with Keri, shakes his head in bewilderment, and rolls his car window up.

It's over and done with as far as Loomis is concerned.

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Well Loomis never did anything to Packard and his gang before the Wraith showed up, why would he do his job afterwards?

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