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Was Sato more advanced in Miyagi-Do than Mr. Miyagi? (Cobra Kai Season 3 Spoilers)

posted 4 years ago by Chris822cats (394)
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Mr. Miyagi left Okinawa while still relatively young. Sato, appeared to still be on good terms with his sensei. Is it possible that he was still being trained while Mr. Miyagi's training came to an abrupt end? It could explain why Chozen eventually became much better than Daniel as seen in Cobra Kai season 3. Taking this into account, it seems like Sato would have disabled Miyagi with the pressure point techniques and landed a killing blow. Perhaps that is why Miyagi was prepared to leave everything in a will.

Or perhaps, Miyagi knew those techniques, but chose not to teach a hot head like Daniel because it would cause Daniel to end up in prison. If that is the case, I wonder if Chozen would have kept those secrets to himself if he knew of Daniels recent dishonorable antics in seasons 1 and 2.

[–] strntz (12466) 4 years ago

Honestly, it's still too soon to tie in Cobra Kai with Karate Kid movies. Not everyone binge watches a series in one day. My wife and I are on episode 7 of CKIII, and fortunately already saw the episode with Chozen, otherwise you would have revealed a spoiler.

I haven't been to CKIII discussion because I don't want to read a spoiler, but don't want to have to avoid KK discussions until we watch them all.

[–] Chris822cats (394) 4 years ago

My apologies, I modified the title of the post to warn of spoilers.

[–] strntz (12466) 4 years ago

Thanks.

Regarding the fight with Sato, (and forgetting that Cobra Kai and the pressure-point technique is recent script plots) I would assume that Miyagi thought there was a real chance he could lose to Sato, but both had equal skill including Miyagi pressure point techniques.

Miyagi left Okinawa as a boy after he fell in love with Sato's pre-arranged bride rather than fight Sato. He didn't think fighting to the death over such a dishonor was worth it. He apologized to Sato, and Sato didn't accept the apology, so he banished himself instead. In my opinion, Miyagi just didn't want to fight a friend to the death.

[–] wearsalan (5554) 4 years ago

1) Miyagi senior most likely did continue to teach Sato
2) Sato obviously taught Chosen everything whereas Miyagi saw no need to teach Daniel the pressure points techniques
3) Sato may or may or not have disabled Miyagi. On the other hand it could well have been the other way around seeing as Miyagi probably also knew these techniques.
Chosen had trained for longer than Daniel in the first place. After his fight with Daniel in KK2 Chosen made up with his uncle Sato and most likely was taught the techniques in later years or he would have used them in KK2.
Recent dishonourable acts in CK 1 and 2?

[–] Chris822cats (394) 4 years ago

1. Agreed.
2. Confirmed in the show.
3. It is unknown how much Miyagi knew. It is also possible that Miyagi made more trips to Okinawa and trained with Sato between the events of Part III and his death. It could be during such a trip that Chozen got to know Miyagi and was forgiven. Thus, explains why Chozen now highly respects Miyagi.

Daniel had many dishonorable acts in seasons 1 and 2. To name a few...
1. Daniel poked fun at Johnny's expense at the dealership failing to read Johnny's body language who obviously did not want to rehash a humiliating time in his life.
2. Daniel failed to teach his son respect as evidenced by his son cussing him out and demanding a drink at the country club in front of other members no less.
3. Daniel dishonestly manipulated Armand Zarkarian into doubling the rent at the strip mall just to put Johnny out of business and jeopardizing the livelihood of the other tenants who obviously could not afford a double in rent.
4. Daniel sabotaged Johnny's business by offering free karate lessons and mentioning Cobra Kai implicitly in the commercial. This was very tone deaf in that Daniel could afford to do so, but Johnny could not.
5. Daniel tried to enforce a lifetime ban on Cobra Kai without letting Johnny explain himself.
6. Daniel would have let Louie get away with trashing Johnny's car if his wife did not intervene.
7. Daniel's open prejudice about Cobra Kai students forced Samantha to hide her relationship with Miguel and indirectly ruined their relationship in season 1.
8. Daniel damaged Johnny's apartment when he wouldn't listen to reason. Johnny gave Samantha a safe place to sleep and Daniel repaid his hospitality to committing 3 crimes (breaking and entering, property damage, aggravated assault). Johnny could have pressed charges, but chose not to do so.
9. Daniel failed to teach his star pupil not to cheap shot his opponent, especially after they stopped fighting, dropped their guard, and sincerely apologized.

[–] wearsalan (5554) 4 years ago

Re:Daniels dishonourable acts.
1) Poking fun at your former tormentor is tacky not dishonourable
2) Poor parenting is not dishonourable
3) He didn't double the other tenants rent only Johnnys. Daniel was afraid of the Cobra Kai coming back so acted in a non violent way. Not dishonourable.
4) Undercutting a rival is how most businesses work. Are all businesses who undercut their competition dishonourable?
5)Again, Cobra Kai was already on a lifetime ban. Daniel simply argued against it being lifted. It's an opinion he's entitled to. How many cons have applied for parole only for it to be rejected based on the victims opposition. Are they dishonourable?
6) Daniel didn't instruct Louie and had no knowledge of intentions so why do you think he's dishonourable in this case. Louie is a grown man and Daniel is not responsible for him being a jerk here. If your cousin broke a window would you feel obliged to pay for it?
7) Hmm, I wonder why Daniel would be prejudiced towards Cobra Kai? Hardly dishonourable. Besides wasn't Johnny guilty of the same prejudice saying all LaRussos were trouble when he found out Miguel was seeing Sam?
8) Didn't Johnny turn up at Daniels to fight him over a misunderstanding (more than once) ? How is a misunderstanding dishonourable ?
9) Daniel wasn't there to see said cheap shot so not sure how you reach that conclusion. But didn't Hawk cheap shot Robbie at the tournament? Isn't Robbie also Johnnys son ? Why didn't Johnny instil some kind of honour in his son before him and Robbies mom split up? Either way, saying Daniel being dishonourable for a teenagers hot headed reaction is reaching.

[–] Chris822cats (394) 4 years ago

Before I refute these arguments let's just agree that Mr. Miyagi would frown upon every single one of these actions.

1. Poking fun of your former tormentor who is on equal footing in life, is tacky. Being rich and poking fun of a former rival who is now poor is dishonorable. Johnny never made fun of Daniel's former poverty.
2. Partly true, but Daniel likes to criticize Johnny's students when his students and children are actually worse. No Cobra Kai student including the ones one the original Karate Kid did inflicted as much damage as Miyagi-do's representative did to Miguel.
3. If I recall the convenience store owner was pretty angry that his rent was doubled.
4. Johnny isn't a rival for Daniel at this point in his life. Daniel is a wealthy businessman and Johnny is a poor guy who doesn't even own his own home. This would be like Walmart picking on a small mom and pop store and putting it out of business. Hardly honorable.
5. It is apparent that lifetime bans have not been enforced for many years and are currently frowned upon by the current powers that be. Daniel was not objective in this debate, it was clearly personal and thus why he lost.
6. Louie was representing the LaRussos with this mob-inspired enforcement. Daniel denied involvement, but Louie clearly tells Johnny, "consider this a message from Daniel LaRusso."
7. Daniel should have known not all the Cobra Kais were bad. Bobby saved Daniel's life in the original film by delaying his beating long enough for Miyagi to arrive. After the events of the first Karate Kid film, Bobby apologized, Johnny made amends, and the original Cobra Kai never bothered him again proving that the Cobra Kai has honor.
8. Misunderstanding? Goons destroyed his classic car and specifically said it was a message from Daniel LaRusso. Johnny should have called the police, but he is a flawed hero.
9. Johnny wasn't there to remind Miguel about showing mercy either. This proves Johnny is the superior sensei.

[–] Ripkens25 (2034) 4 years ago

Sato couldn't break that board with a karate chop...but Miyagi was able to.
Enough said.

[–] Chris822cats (394) 4 years ago

Maybe Sato wasn't trying to break the board. I saw it as a sentimental reminder of the betrayal of Miyagi's friendship. He kept it for all these years as a way to channel his anger. Plus the wood Miyagi broke was already damaged by the typhoon. As the great Chong Li from Bloodsport says, "very good, but bricks don't hit back." Even if Miygai could break a board better than Sato it is not a sure indicator that he would win.

[–] Ripkens25 (2034) 4 years ago

A quote from Chong Li.
Now that's playing hardball.

[–] wearsalan (5554) 4 years ago

It's actually a twist on a Bruce Lee quote from Enter the Dragon when he says to O'Hara 'Boards..don't hit back'!
Arguably you could say that Sato couldn't break the tree (it was a log they found on the beach as kids) because all his focus was on Miyagi.
Either way Miyagi would win and it is easy to prove this.

[–] wearsalan (5554) 4 years ago

1) Daniel at that time didn't know of Johnnys financial circumstances, but either way looking down on your former bully is not dishonourable. Tacky or lacking in class maybe.
2) I think you are forgetting what happened to Daniel himself courtesy of Cobra Kai students. Lets not forget stealing the medal of honour and trashing the LaRusso residence by the modern Cobra Kais.
3) I don't recall that, but Daniel asked the owner to increase Johnnys rent not everyone elses.
4) Johnny may not be his financial equal but he is a rival nonetheless. Also, lets not forget that Terry silver is a billionaire.
5) It wasn't so much frowned upon as them not even realising it was a thing. The committee showed lenience towards Johnny seeing as he was not part of what happened 35 years previous and none of the participants at the time were around anymore. Daniels objections were based on his personal experience. He should have given Johnny a chance but he was afraid. Not dishonourable...frightened.
6) Representing the LaRusso family? Ok. Ask yourself this. If Louie were to go to Daniel and tell him what he was going to do, do you think Daniel would have agreed. Because that then would have been dishonourable. As it was Daniels reaction wasn't 'Yeah, nice one Louie'. Quite the opposite in fact.
7) No. Bobby may have delayed the beating, but that was down to thinking Daniel had had enough. He was still complicit up until that point. Bobby apologized simply because he was ordered to do something that cost him a place in the final. Cobra Kai (ie Johnny, Bobby and co) didn't bother him again because he beat them all.
8) But they still weren't acting on Daniels orders. Yes he should have called the police and saved further misunderstanding.
9) So because Johnny wasn't there either he's the superior Sensei? That makes no sense. If you believe him to be superior you need to do better than that. If you prefer him to Daniel then that's a matter of opinion. Incidentally, I prefer him to Daniel.

Yes. Miyagi would frown upon all of this. He would say it was a stupid misunderstanding.