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Does anyone else dislike Holly??


Does anyone else find Holly to be a very unlikable and unsympathetic character?? Her actions in the film really bother me. She resents Hannah and treats her horribly. She is incredibly ungrateful for all the financial support she receives from Hannah, and attacks Hannah whenever she tries to offer constructive criticism. I sympathized much more with Lee, and she was having an affair with Hannah's husband. But at least Lee felt guilty about betraying her sister. Holly writes a screenplay revealing personal secrets and details of Hannah's marriage and feels no remorse whatsoever. This is one of my favorite movies of all time, and I think Hannah and Lee are both great characters, but I really dislike Holly. Am I alone in thinking that Holly's character was unlikable and did not really deserve the happy ending she received???

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Yes, I agree. I found Holly to be extremenly unlikeable. I felt that she was cruel and resentful towards Hannah while continuing to take her money (biting the hand that fed her). Lee was the only throughly likeable of the three, despite her misdemeanours.



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I liked Holly. Maybe she was ungrateful but she was also insecure, her sisters were more naturally talented than her. And when did Lee feel bad for sleeping with her sisters husband?

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I think you could tell that Lee felt guilty about the affair, even if she never actually said it. Especially in the scene where the three sisters go out for lunch and Lee yells at Holly to leave Hannah alone because she's going through a really hard time right now. I think that was Lee's guilt coming out.

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You're right, I forgot that scene. But which is worse, being ungrateful or bedding your brother-in-law?

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Holly is quite unlikable in many ways, but she's a good character, probably the most interesting of the three sisters. The bit where she is on her own in the taxi and is complaining about how she hates April is quite revealing I think, it shows how two-faced she was capable of being.












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I think you mean Holly, flanders?

Personally I loved this film when I first saw it, but from some strange reason, repeat viewings seem to reduce its aura. I found that Hannah's not really explored very well. She's simply like a fulcrum against which the other two stories (Lee's affair with Elliot and Holly's problems) play out. Hannah is so perfect but it seems unresolved really. Everybody compromises somewhat in the end except Hannah. She gets her husband back. She asks him what she's doing wrong and replies that he can't be with someone who's so perfect yet at the end he realises his mistake and corrects it but Hannah stays the same.

Perhaps I'm exaggerating, since the script is great anyway, but this film leaves me unsatisfied.

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Yeah, you're right, I'll change that.











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Hannah is really the matriarch of the family, since the mother is a sad alcoholic. As such, her own needs tend to come last. It's quite poignant when she tells Elliot she has needs, and he says something to the effect that she never lets anyone see them so how can anyone know or tend to them?

Hannah is the more grounded of the three; but all three sisters bear scars of Adult Children of Alcoholics. Hannah, as the oldest, is the one who always plays the responsible grownup. She says at the first Thanksgiving dinner that now she has finished acting in a production of A Doll's House she has "gotten that out of my system," and can go back to making a good home and being a Mom, a banker, a confidante, a mediator when the parents fight, and so on. But the way she says it makes you wonder if she wishes she hadn't given up her acting career.

But I digress... Holly. The most interesting role in a movie is not always the most likeable. Dianne Wiest could have played Holly for sympathy, but instead she plays up Holly's frenetic, unsavory qualities. Her performance is magnificent. A bundle of raw nerves, her ambitions fueled by cocaine, her racing thoughts tamed with Seconal, Holly is jealous, hypersensitive and selfish. Yes, she's two-faced, a fair-weather friend, deeply envious of Hannah's stability and resentful of Lee's unobtrusive beauty and seeming calm. At the bottom of the pile is a woeful lack of self-esteem, handed out in abundance to ACOAs.

The question of self-worth is Lee's biggest problem, too. But in many ways, some good, some mixed, some bad; she tries to overcome her uncertainties about her identity. Lee does go to AA, which is a point in her favor. She also gets her teeth cleaned on a regular basis! She makes an effort to improve her mind and complete her education. But she is in a long-term relationship with a man she views more as a teacher than a romantic partner. Having an affair with her brother-in-law is hardly the best route towards emotional growth. While she puts up token resistance to Elliot's advances, there's never any question that she will wind up sleeping with him. Her decision is not at all healthy or wise, and given her fragility, she emerges from it surprisingly unscathed.

In my view, and I have watched this movie dozens of times, all three sisters are well-written characters, but Hannah's is the least interesting. None of the three is the kind of woman I would court as a close friend. Considering the mess that both Holly and Lee have made of things, I have to say the ending is a little pat, particularly for a Woody Allen film, the endings of which are often ambiguous.

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Maybe I've just seen Hannah too many times to look at it objectively anymore. You are, of course, right in saying that in the interest of good drama, all three sisters can't be wacko. Hannah does have her problems, and they are multi-layered and complex. It's the difference in the way she handles hers that separates her from her sisters.

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Ha Ha very funny. And why is this film beyind criticism? It isn't Manhattan...

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Interesting example. I just saw a Woody Allen interview in which he himself is extremely critical of Manhattan and Hannah. He never went into specifics on what his problem is with Manhattan, but what bothers him about Hannah is that he regrets that everything is wrapped up so tidily in the end.

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I also love her clothes . . . the outfit she was wearing when she calls Hannah from the payphone in the park . . . too precious . . . the bow in her hair and all. I also like that she was independent for most of the movie.

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I think that Hannah's two scenes towards the end, where she's looking at the photographs by herself, and then the scene in bed with Elliot where she feels lost in the dark, are key to her as a character. In the first, she is realizing how isolated she is from her sisters and her husband. In the second, she is reaching out and finally allowing herself to be vulnerable.

It's subtle. Most of the rest of her scenes, though, are her on the attack (buying clothes with Holly she puts her down; at lunch with both sisters she goes after Holly's new career choice) or her basking in praise from her parents.

I recently re-watched this as part of my own Woody retrospective and it's really held up well.

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"Holly" is my FAVORITE charater in this wonderful film. That's
saying plenty because I love all the characters (including
the underused Julie Kavner). "Holly" is so HUMAN. And she
resents Hannah because people resent the ones they OWE so
much to. However, I think the reason the character is likable
to me is due entirely to Dianne Weist. Had any other actress
portrayed her, it wouldn't have worked nearly as effectively.
Weist was BORN to play this role and deservedly won an Oscar.
I also think the character is funny ("I was so bored!!!").
Her double takes from insecurity are delicious.

The only character I can't stand is Sydow's. What an old
fart!!! Totally unattractive in every way, shape and form.
"Lee" shacked up with him due to great insecurity. Through
AA and other men, she quickly outgrew him.

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Someone said that when there was the taxi scene with Holly, April & David it showed how two-faced she was.
I don't think that's two-faced, I think it's a remarkable insight into human nature. The kind of things she was thinking are just like the kind of things you do think: "I never should have made my stupid little roller-skating joke".
It's comic and tragic at one time.

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The only thing that she did that irritates me is that she just expects Hannah to keep giving her large amounts of money while she keeps career hopping. I mean, she can't figure out what to do with her life but she's living like a 20 year old that expects other people to fund her meandering through various "hobbies". I mean, I was glad when the writing thing finally worked out but people who try to break into acting, for instance, hold another job while they go on auditions, etc. They don't expect other people to pay their bills while doing it. I thought that part of her was very immature. I just kept thinking, lady get a job!

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Holly had a job. Do you know how difficult it is to run a catering business in Manhattan? Especially when there's only one other person running it, and you have no employees? And keep in mind that, in addition to running the business with April, she was using her free time to trying to break into a different profession. (A profession in the theater world, which is notoriously grueling and cutthroat.)

Holly definitely didn't appreciate Hannah's financial help as much as she should have. I acknowledge that this was one of her flaws.

But she wasn't one of those struggling entertainers who's too entitled and/or lazy to bother getting a side job.

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Was it a taxi? I thought it was the guy's car. I guess I forgot.

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She was pretty unsympathetic I thought. She only gained status after she had written the play after which Woody falls in love with her and marries her. Did you notice she stops dressing badly at the end? She had finally achieved Woody's own idea of what makes a successful person so now she could be lovable and successful in other things.

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Am I alone in thinking that Holly's character was unlikable and did not really deserve the happy ending she received???


Deserve it? What the hell are you talking about?
Are you under the delusion that on film or in life that good fortune smiles only on those who deserve it. That kind of thinking is why I shy away from mass market American films.

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Yes Holly is very annoying... She is so un-likeable that I almost don't even like the ACTRESS... I don't know if she deserved the Oscar for this, good performance though...

To me, Michael Caine just steals the show, really great performance...

It is interesting though, the way they kind of keep Hannah as this sort of un-sympathetic, stoic person who helps everyone and gets betrayed by both sisters...

That's why I love this film, even the ending is kind of creepy to me... I love Woody Allen films because they are so dark and funny and just not quite right. Like life!

Very realistic. I have SO many friends like Holly, just flawed, selfish NYC people that think only of themselves and are going nowhere, and just want to take whatever they can get from you...

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i dont think holly's character is unlikeable at all. her character is just so real that its very easy to hate her!!

holly is everything but two-faced. another character,her friend-april,is an example of being two-faced. we always know,and so does hannah and lee-that she resents hannah. we,april,and david particularly understand her cravings and jealousy. now what do you expect?? if you are not happy about your harped man being stolen by another friend,would you forcefully push her out of the car after bitch-slapping her,and threw yourself to the man blabbering you are only mine? is being two-faced the opposite of being wacko,or angelic?

holly doesnt resent hannah. she is insecured of hannah. there is a difference. people who bit the hand that feeds seldom bit them so straightforwardly. they prefer to bit them when another source of food is ready.holly,only picks on hannah,when she feels hannah is criticizing her. hannah's criticisms may be well meant and constructive,but holly is too insecured to take them in the right spirit.

i dont think holly is selfish either. remember the last scene? she is very popular among kids-she does take active interest in mikey's past wanderings.

holly is insecurd.SHE DESPERATELY WANTS TO BE BOTHERED. she is considered not as talented, often ignored, often put aside. she wants to fit in, to be recognized,thats all. her constant job-change(all in artistic lines,when she is anyone can assume-not at all artistic) also indicates that.

i see the film symbolizing growth. hannah learnt to express the insecurity,after painful experiences. lee learnt to control her insecurities/urges, holly learnt to believe in herself/be secured, eliott learnt to differenciate between security and insecurity issues,and most importantly mike learnt that learning is better executed by the natural flow of life.life,time,mistakes and events make us grow all right-we dont need to want to grow, we will,in our own ways. we just need to take life lightly.and party!!

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