The hate for Newt... - Aliens (1986) Discussion

[–] ErgonomicSpliff 8 years ago

I wonder why so many people so openly voice their hate for that girl?

WTF are you talking about? Who hates Newt? Got a link to some Newt-hate?

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[–] Daimaju 8 years ago

Nothing recent, just an observation over the years.

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[–] ErgonomicSpliff 8 years ago

Nothing recent, just an observation over the years.

Oh, OK. I didn't know if there was a website or cult or something. I know there are several folks around these boards who are the complete polar opposite. The mere suggestion of "Alien3" sends them into a tizzy.

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[–] bluersun 8 years ago

Gosh you're angry! Have a cup of Earl Grey...

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[–] ttaskmaster 8 years ago

WTF are you talking about? Who hates Newt? Got a link to some Newt-hate?

There have been many such threads here over the years...

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[–] chouse1020 8 years ago

oh so many... it really was an odd phenomenon, as OP mentioned besides a few screams, she behaved better than most of the soldiers did.

But that thread did pop up now and then.

/stagger

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[–] sevenlilxenos 8 years ago

Its not Newt per se, the character or the actress, but the simple fact you don't need a little kid running around screaming like Fay Wray in the original King Kong (the ultimate and archetypal scream queen).

A2 had the perfect set up:
100+ Xenos and a big queen Xeno pooping more eggs vs cocky well armed USCMs. Add a shell shocked Ripley, a slimy, self serving company man and android of questionable loyalties and your good to go.

Wasn't saddling Ripley with Jones in A1 enough?

There is a reason you rarely see kids in this type of movie as you know they almost always survive (there are rare exceptions like the hunter's son in AvP2 with less than 1 min of screen time).

There were no kids in A1, A3, A4, Promethues, AvP1, Pred 1,2&3 for good reason. They are not needed.

JC was playing on Ripley's guilt and redemption in re her daughter, but this is the wrong movie IMO.

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[–] ttaskmaster 8 years ago

Its not Newt per se, the character or the actress, but the simple fact you don't need a little kid running around screaming like Fay Wray in the original King Kong (the ultimate and archetypal scream queen).

She wasn't just a screamer, though - She had the sense to pin a facehugger, and to try and run from the Queen when under the floor, for example.
Really, she seems to only scream when there's no immediately obvious way out for her, which makes sense...

Wasn't saddling Ripley with Jones in A1 enough?

More people own little children than own cats, more people are allergic to cats than children or dogs. Cats = Bad target for audience sympathy!! 

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[–] wesperkins 8 years ago

Spoilers...

I think some people grow tired of kids in movies like this for reasons like already said . They always live, and favorite characters die to protect them. As previously stated, AVPR had the only balls in a long time to have the hunters kid die, and die horrifically at that. I guess you could say Alien 3 had similar balls but her death wasn't nearly as graphic. Not being s sadist, but knowing a kid has to live takes away from drama in a movie. Also having to go back to rescue her while not even looking for Hudson when he couldn't have been far away pissed me off too. No he didn't have a tracker on him like newt did, but geez at least think of Hudson and say "I'm going back for newt, but if I see Hudson I'll rescue him too". The worst is when there is a evacuation or something like that and the kid forgets his toy or pet and runs back in and the heroes must go back and save the kid. So annoying and overdone.
These aren't Newts fault, and aside from her screaming being annoying, I didn't hate her. I think for me it was other kids in movies and people take their anger out for them on Newt.
There is another thread taking about Newt. Apparently it's spelled Noot.

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[–] punchallwhitewomen 8 years ago

But no one died protecting Newt in this film.

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[–] sevenlilxenos 8 years ago

If Ripley didn't have to go back for Newt then the Queen would not have gotten on the drop ship and Bishop (albeit a non-human) would not have been ripped in half.

Without the queen on board there would have been no egg and no FH to start the fire in the sub flooring.

The cryo tubes would not have been ejected which upon landing killed Hicks by impaling him.

Also drowning Newt herself.

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[–] punchallwhitewomen 8 years ago

Hicks was alive at the end of Aliens and so was Bishop (who can be repaired) and Ripley. As I said, no one died protecting Newt.

I've never seen Aliens 3. It doesn't exist to me. So the other stuff must have been from it.

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[–] sevenlilxenos 8 years ago

They should have had Newt get face hugged and then Ripley once freeing her would immediately put her in cryo. That would have been a much better way to get a Xeno in A3 than the mystery egg.

Just because Newt didn't get anyone killed, doesn't justify Cameron sticking a little kid in the middle of a human vs Xeno war.

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[–] punchallwhitewomen 8 years ago

It doesn't need to be justified. She is a child of two of the dead colonists. She was in the narrative for a purpose, as was Ripley and the Marines. She is a character who worked well. You don't need to justify having a child as part of your narrative unless it makes no sense for them to be in it. Newt fit perfectly because, as I said, she is the sole survivor of a colony that was massacred and cocooned by the Xenos.

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[–] wesperkins 8 years ago

No it doesn't have to be justified bc that's what the writers wanted and did. I don't have a huge problem with Newt in the movie besides being annoying at times, but other characters could be considered annoying. I was simply saying the reason there is alot of Newt hate isn't so much for her, but for the prior roles of kids in movies in general. It's nothing provable but just a theory.
It can be argued I think that the only sole survivor was a little girl and that was a stretch. I think that's a fair argument. You could say she was scrappy and smart, but she didn't impress me as she had to be saved in the Med Lab and again in the cocoon, and then again by Bishop as she was being sucked out of the ship. Saying a little girl who needed to be saved 3 times in 4 hours(and technically 4 times if you count being saved from the processor blowing up) doesn't lend credence to Newt being the only survivor and it fitted in perfectly. I think it was a stretch to think she would be the only survivor. Now, to be fair, it could be argued that she wouldn't have had to be saved if the marines never showed up. I'll give you that one and trying to be fair. But it's a could a been and not what really happened. What happened was she needed saving over and over and it didn't fit perfectly to me, and it felt like her character was kinda forced in for the plot.

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[–] punchallwhitewomen 8 years ago

Sorry, but I disagree and imagine many people do given the rating of this film and the fact that Newt is a core character. We don't know how she survived the initial attack. It was most likely due to luck as it is a lot of times.

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[–] sevenlilxenos 8 years ago

Pretty obvious she hid out in the vents when the sh/t hit the fan, mostly just coming out during the day to get a bite of a doughnut or whatever. Mostly.

I can love the movie and still hate the one stupid pointless kid that should never had been in it.

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[–] tomjiang1975 8 years ago

Is this really a thing? Honestly Newt was one of the best child characters in the action/horror film genre.

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[–] LukeLovesFilm28 8 years ago

It is actually a thing. There are people on here who passionately hate this little girl character for things as petty and silly as her screaming.

Get off your soapbox while I play you a tune on the tiniest violin.

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[–] ibrarules 8 years ago

It is actually a thing

There are people who like pooping in each others' mouths. That doesn't mean it's a thing imho. Just means with a population big enough you have have ALL types of opinions and behavior.

The majority liked or loved Newt, at least that is my impression.

And hey I agree with the people who are less than impressed with her acting in the early scenes in the extended cut.

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[–] HPSaucecraft 8 years ago

I had no idea this was a thing.Not in 30 years...poor Noot.

*Everybody's cute,everybody's cute...I'm cute too,but in purple..I'm STUNNING!!*

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[–] ibrarules 8 years ago

I had no idea this was a thing.Not in 30 years

It isn't. Never was.

Doesn't mean there isn't the odd person here and there who dislikes her. NOONE has 100% approval rating.

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

Actually on these boards it IS a thing,

Some of the comments here proves it.

There is a relatively large group of idiots that take pride in trashing Newt.

No one claims they are a majority.
Bit its more than just an "odd person here and there".

There have been multiple threads dedicated to hating her.

I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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[–] ibrarules 8 years ago

I disagree with everything you said apart from the multiple (as in a few, not many). So it is imo the odd person here and there. And out of 2-3B English speaking people I don't mean 2-3. I mean much more than that. Still qualifies as the odd person here and there.

So no, again the way I view statistics and numbers, it is not a thing, or even close to it.

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

Just because YOU hold to a different definition of what constitutes a "thing" Does not make you right and everyone else wrong.

I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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[–] ibrarules 8 years ago

Just because YOU hold to a different definition of what constitutes a "thing" Does not make you right and everyone else wrong

Obviously. Hence why I qualified by saying:

again the way I view statistics and numbers, it is not a thing

Didn't that make it pretty apparent I wasn't saying my opinion is fact?

And even without the qualifier I'd say every single opinion post on imdb (i.e., most posts I would guess) means that it's the opinion of the poster.

When you said: actually on these boards it IS a thing. and saying there is a rather large group - I take that as being your subjective personal opinion of reality. Not fact. I happen to completely disagree with your opinion. Doesn't make me right either. Doesn't make me wrong either. It just means we view terms like "large group" very differently.

So again imo it is nowhere near a thing. The odd person here and there may hold that opinion, and since whiners are more prone to voice their opinions online than others (pretty much every piece of research states this) there can be a few threads here. No surprise. The odd person here and there can certainly mean there are quite a few threads on the topic.

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[–] Gokay03 8 years ago

I agree with you, her scream is unbearable.

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[–] sevenlilxenos 8 years ago

Sarge did tell his squad that there would be some juicy colonists daughters who needed rescuing from their virginity. I just always figured Sarge had some older girls in mind. At least I hope he did.

Dumb azz colonists .

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