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I wonder if Ms. Harper will allow the release of the show?


It is sad to hear about Valerie Harpers diagnosis that I heard about the other day. Possibly in kindness she will finally allow Valerie to come out in DVD Box set for us who want to watch it. I would love to see it come out to watch it.


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It is sad to hear about Valerie Harpers diagnosis that I heard about the other day. Possibly in kindness she will finally allow Valerie to come out in DVD Box set for us who want to watch it. I would love to see it come out to watch it.


She isn't the one holding up a release of the show. She'd gladly release the show and would've done so ages ago. It's the producers who are the hold out. Some of them, though not all, still hold a grudge against Valerie and don't want her benefiting financially from a release, which she would do since she and her husband are partial owners of the show, even for the seasons that she was no longer on. Edie McClurg explained this in an interview which I have recorded as an mp3. If you're interested, email me at [email protected] and I'll send it to you.

In any case, just so everyone knows... it is NOT Valerie Harper who is preventing this series from being released. Spread the word!


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That sucks that the producers is keeping the show from making it onto DVD because they do not want Valerie to get a dime of the money.

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That sucks that the producers is keeping the show from making it onto DVD because they do not want Valerie to get a dime of the money.


It does suck, and given that she's been given only a short amount of time to live (re: her diagnosis of incurable brain cancer), once she does pass, the producers will relent and then allow release of the show. As much as I'm a fan of the show and of her work in it (it's how I was introduced to her since I wasn't old enough to watch MTM or RHODA prior), I don't know if I could support a release of it after the fact, knowing what I know. I guess I'll have to see once the time comes, but it's definitely a bitter pill to swallow given how much she's helped the poor through L.I.F.E. (Love Is Feeding Everyone) and is trying to educate people on living life to the fullest. It simply isn't right...

Then again, she keeps beating the drum of how we all have to live life to the fullest and that we all must "forgive each other", so maybe I'll be able to stomach supporting such a release, but trust me, it won't be easy...


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That is not good to hear that the producers are going to wait until after she passes to then mass produce the first couple of seasons of the show with her in it to make the money off of it after she has passed away. I grew up during the 70's but was very young at the time when The Mary Tyler Moore Show came out. I remember the show because my mom would watch it when I was a kid including my grandparents also. I even remember her TV show Rhoda that was on also. I was 14 years old when Valerie came out in 1986. I was a fan of the show and watched it until NBC sold it to CBS. Once that happened I lost track of the show. I did watch the name change while it was on NBC from Valerie to The Hogans, and then I guess it was called The Hogan Family after it switched to CBS. I will definitely pick up my copy of the first two seasons since I have not watched this show in ages. The last time I saw it on was about 7 or 8 years ago when ABC Family use to show it at the 6:00 to 7:00 time slot which is held by now Boy Meets World. I was so excited to watch The Hogans when it was on that I tuned in to watch it and then the next thing I know ABC Family pulled it right off the air. The one other time that I saw Valerie was on when ION was known as PAX TV I believe it was and I happened to be flipping channels when I stumbled upon it. I was excited to see the channel show this great show.

I am sorry to hear that it will be hard for you to watch the TV show due to what has transpired between the executives and Ms. Harper. A lot of the shows that the producers created were popular shows to watch. They created Perfect Strangers, Step By Step, Family Matters, and even Full House. They have been around for a long time and the only shows that were popular that are being shown anywhere is Full House and Family Matters which are on ABC Family and NICK@NITE.

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That is not good to hear that the producers are going to wait until after she passes to then mass produce the first couple of seasons of the show with her in it to make the money off of it after she has passed away. I grew up during the 70's but was very young at the time when The Mary Tyler Moore Show came out. I remember the show because my mom would watch it when I was a kid including my grandparents also. I even remember her TV show Rhoda that was on also. I was 14 years old when Valerie came out in 1986. I was a fan of the show and watched it until NBC sold it to CBS. Once that happened I lost track of the show. I did watch the name change while it was on NBC from Valerie to The Hogans, and then I guess it was called The Hogan Family after it switched to CBS. I will definitely pick up my copy of the first two seasons since I have not watched this show in ages. The last time I saw it on was about 7 or 8 years ago when ABC Family use to show it at the 6:00 to 7:00 time slot which is held by now Boy Meets World. I was so excited to watch The Hogans when it was on that I tuned in to watch it and then the next thing I know ABC Family pulled it right off the air. The one other time that I saw Valerie was on when ION was known as PAX TV I believe it was and I happened to be flipping channels when I stumbled upon it. I was excited to see the channel show this great show.


I don't know if they'll release it once she passes for her husband, Tony Cacciotti, stands to benefit from a release as well since he and Valerie are co-owners of the show. I'm just stating that Edie McClurg said directly that the producers are the ones blocking a release due to their fallout with Valerie so I imagine that, once she passes, it'll no longer be an issue. I just think it's downright dirty of them to deprive the fans of the show for they're the ones they're ultimately hurting, not to mention the cast members who could benefit from royalties as well. Given how callously they killed off the Valerie Hogan character and how they chose to write her off in a way where the family acted practically unfazed by her death, I'm not surprised. Their desire to hurt overrides their desire to do right by everyone else, and that's just sad.

I am sorry to hear that it will be hard for you to watch the TV show due to what has transpired between the executives and Ms. Harper. A lot of the shows that the producers created were popular shows to watch. They created Perfect Strangers, Step By Step, Family Matters, and even Full House. They have been around for a long time and the only shows that were popular that are being shown anywhere is Full House and Family Matters which are on ABC Family and NICK@NITE.


Yeah, I'm well aware of their creative legacy. Many of those shows aren't stellar hits and much of the plots and dialogue could be interchangeable, sad to say. Methinks this is what Valerie saw the show evolving into and is in part why she wanted to have more creative control. So much of Season 2 (after the 10 episode Season 1) was spot on sharp comedic writing that seemed to regress a bit with the last 3 or 4 eps of that same season, and I think Valerie & hubby wanted to maintain the comedic sharpness so that the show could not only be funnier but appeal to both children and adults. As it was, it evolved into a show that only kids really could appreciate. How sad that a show with a stellar cast as this is remembered overall more for the controversy behind the scenes that it is for the show itself. The cast, including Sandy Duncan (nothing against her, mind you, for she's a brilliant actress in her own right) deserved much better than that. They were so brilliant that they could take stale, overly predictable jokes that you saw a mile away and perform them in a way that made it look and sound fresh. They deserve recognition for that and the reward of earning royalties for their past work. It's long overdue in my opinion.

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I agree that it is not fair on what the producers are doing to the cast and Valerie also. Plus, the producers forget about us fans who tuned in to watch the show every week. I did not mind that they made it into a kid friendly show. I always thought that I was older than the fraternal twins until I looked up their bios and they are older than me by 1 year. The only one who still pretty much has a career is Jason Bateman. Everyone else faded away. I just was not a big fan of Sandy Duncan to be honest with you when she stepped in for Valerie. There should have been more grief due to Valerie's character passing away.

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I agree that it is not fair on what the producers are doing to the cast and Valerie also. Plus, the producers forget about us fans who tuned in to watch the show every week. I did not mind that they made it into a kid friendly show. I always thought that I was older than the fraternal twins until I looked up their bios and they are older than me by 1 year. The only one who still pretty much has a career is Jason Bateman. Everyone else faded away. I just was not a big fan of Sandy Duncan to be honest with you when she stepped in for Valerie. There should have been more grief due to Valerie's character passing away.


That's just my point. By regressing the show into sub-standard kid fare, they were able to not give the Valerie Hogan character her due. That family should've been severely devastated by the loss of their mom, and it came off as if it were horseplay as usual. Why should they mourn the mom when they have Aunt Sandy, right? Puhhhleeezzz! It's like the show split into two different sitcoms at that point. It was superbly acted but the writing stank with a lot of forced jokes. Knowing what the show was evolving into, having it regress to gag humor really damaged it and I think overall it hasn't aged well. This is why it's barely on anyone's radar except for the controversy that occurred with the switchover.

Being a kid's show isn't a bad thing, but when it was clearly capable of being so much more, the regression to being a kid show is kind of tragic. There were so many subtle things that went over my head as a kid when I first watched these episodes, particularly the banter between Valerie Hogan, Annie Steck & Mrs. Poole. As a grown up revisiting those episodes, the jokes that were once over my head are laugh out loud funny. It just adds another layer or two to the comedy where one can see parts of their own life reflected through the characters. It's as if the lines between fiction & real life blur and it connects you to the material in a way that you almost forget that the characters are fictional. That's why I feel it's embarrassing that I, as a viewer, mourned the Valerie Hogan character's death more than her own family did, which is pathetic. I believe had it been allowed to continue its sharp comedic direction that it had while it was "Valerie" for several more seasons, this series would've been another classic that was respected and remembered and not dismissed as typical substandard 80s comedy fare.

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Yes it is sad that they had so much potential with this show. I have not seen this show in ages. I was very sad when Valerie Hogan passed away in the show. Still there should have been more grieving though. I believe there was for several episodes after they wrote off Valerie Harper. It has been a long time since I have watched the show. Every time Zi find it on in reruns it vanishes. Then I move on. I thought it was a great show to watch. I rather enjoyed it to be honest but when CBS got it they changed the name of the show once again. It was The Hogans and when CBS got it then they changed the name to The Hogan Family. I have never seen CBS sell off any of their shows to ABC or NBC either.

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No you have it the other way around. Valerie Harper started on the show as the mom of three boys. Due to the producers of the show and Valerie getting into arguments on pay and all the producers killed off Valerie and brought in Sandy Duncan to play the Aunt on the show. Yes it was a great show to watch.

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