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who is this sister in baltimore?


i enjoyed seeing this film for the first time last night, but there's one
part of the plot which i can't figure out. after her husband dies, rachel
and samuel set out on a trip to visit her sister in baltimore. i've lived
in baltimore for 15 years, and am almost positive there's no amish community
anywhere around baltimore. rachel's sister would not be able to live
according to amish rules here. if the sister is no longer amish, wouldn't
she be considered as shunned? if so, why would rachel be going to see her,
and with the support of their father, who sees rachel off at the train
station?

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She could well be going to Baltimore to take a bus to western or southern Maryland - both areas which have both Mennonite and Amish populations. (Although the Amish especially are only small population groups of no more than a few hundred to a thousand or so in these areas - they have been there for a number of years now. Mennonites have a history in those areas dating back to the 19th century if not earlier.) Hope this helps! (I am a former Marylander now living in Witness country.)

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Eli is Rachel's father-in-law, not her father.

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An Amish person can leave the community voluntarily, and it's not the same thing as "shunning." If the sister got married and moved to Baltimore or eastern Maryland, it doesn't mean she's kicked out of the family or the local Lancaster community. But shunning is like capital punishment to the Amish. If you do something so horrendous and totally against their ways, they can't make you leave, they just stop talking to you and ignore you. Even family members must ignore the shunned person. The shunned person usually leaves the community of their own accord because there's no reason to stick around. Presumably Rachel kept in touch with her sister by snail mail.

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I had always figured that Rachel's sister lived in an Amish community outside of Baltimore and she simply indicated Baltimore was her final destination to simplify matters. She would probably go by bus to a smaller community outside of the city. Also, she may not have wanted to give Book that degree of detail, since she was very suspicious of the police from the outset. The Amish don't drive cars and you wouldn't take horses from Lancaster, Pennsylvania to near Baltimore. To the best of my knowledge the Amish have no exclusion on using transit (trains, busses etc.), or occasionally being driven in cars. They simply don't own cars and don't drive themselves.

There's no evidence that her sister was shunned. It's very unlikely that people (her father-in-law Eli and Daniel Hochleitner) in the community would see her off the station if her sister had been in this situation. Sometimes, Amish would have to look outside of their own community to another Amish community for marriage, to avoid inbreeding among other things. It's not impossible that her sister would simply have married a man in a different Amish community.

I love this film. Saw it in 1985 and watch the DVD at pretty regular intervals!

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The sister lives elsewhere, they were traveling by train THRU Baltimore to reach her home. If you remember, Rachel and her son are waiting at the station (presumably for another train) for quite some time when the crime occurs.

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They changed trains in Philadelphia to travel on to Baltimore and it was at Philadelphia station that the crime took place.

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In the book, Rachel's sister, Rebecca, left the Old Amish Order after their parents were killed in an auto/buggy accident. Rebecca couldn't bring herself to ride in a buggy again, so she married a Mennonite and moved to Baltimore.

"Don't let a suitcase full of cheese be your big fork and spoon." ~~~Marie Barone.

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There was no book based on "Witness", not was it a movie made from a book.

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I have a copy at home. I'll get the author's name and post it on here the next time I log on.

"Don't let a suitcase full of cheese be your big fork and spoon." ~~~Marie Barone.

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When 'homesick251960' referred to the book, she is referring to the novelisation of the film which was published around the time of the film's release. It was written by the film's scriptwriters William Kelley and Earl W. Wallace, and contains details not seen in the film such as:

* We learn Rachel's husband Jacob had been mutilated and killed in a farming accident.

* Rachel's parents and her younger brother were killed in a road accident years earlier when Rachel was only 15. The accident prompted her elder sister Rebecca to leave the Amish community and she married a Mennonite psychiatrist and moved to Baltimore.

* Elaine's boyfriend Fred is briefly seen and heard (this is included as a deleted scene in the DVD extras).

* McFee and four of his goons take Book's police partner Sgt. Carter to a deserted warehouse and beat him to death.

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