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question about the last shot...


why did the car stop at the end and then continue going? i know he didn't stop to talk to the blonde guy... that was kinda weird.

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It was to say goodbye to Gudonov's character. You can see the car stop and Gudonov stops for a moment. Then they continue on their marry ways.

Have you ever danced with a chicken in the pale moon light?

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but he stopped like way off from where he was. the blonde guy stops and looks back but i don't see him say anything or wave... (shrugs)

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I'm pretty sure the car stops next to Gudonov. The shot is from afar, so it can be kind of hard to see, but that's what it looks like to me.

Have you ever danced with a chicken in the pale moon light?

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They stop and talk. There was no animostity between them...a bit of jealousy, perhaps, but in the end the best man for Rachel will be Gudonov. I'm still not 100% sure or not if Book had sex with Rachel, though.

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he did'nt have sex with her, cos there was a scence were they talk about it and he or she sed they cudnt because of the contrast of their lives etc. im doing it in film studies so iv watched it to manytimes believe me

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Bad news Tim - I took from the film that after the embrace in the film by the birdhouse, there was a strong implication they made love. Just found the original script and that's what it says happens.


http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Witness.html

The light now nearly gone, the NIGHT SOUNDS beginning, as
Rachel reaches Book and they embrace.

EXT. FIELD BY ROAD – NIGHT

Book and Rachel in a passionate embrace, sink to the still
warm earth and make love.


I appreciate the script and film are divergent but I think the implication was definitely still there in the film. Would be interested to know what your film studies teacher's thoughts on the matter were.

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I finally watched this movie for the first time last night. No, they did NOT have sex. To say they did is REALLY a stretch and reading WAY too much into things. They looked at each other when she was in the shower...and later he told her that the look was so intense that it was the same as making love. But they never actually hopped in the sack, that's ridiculous LOL.

As for the last scene, he simply did what anyone would do. He slowed down and waved/said goodbye. Simple as that.

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You're not even talking about the same scene. He's talking about the scene outside, near the birdhouse. AFTER the scenes you mentioned.

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Rachel is taking a sponge bath, not a shower. Some Amish homes don't have indoor plumbing. Others have an indoor toilet and/or a tub, but not a shower, which isn't considered plain.

Rachel and Book DO make love, not on the night he sees her taking her bath, but on the night before the dirty cops raid the farm. The sequence: Rachel watches Book mend the birdhouse. Eli tells Rachel that Book is leaving in the morning. She asks why, what does he have to go back to; Eli replies that Book is going back to the English world where he belongs: "He knows it, and you know it."

Rachel goes to her bedroom, ponders her next move--and takes off her white bonnet. The only time Amish women don't wear their bonnets is in bed. She goes to find Book, who sees her coming and notices she's not wearing her bonnet. They fling themselves into each other's arms and start kissing passionately. They sink into the tall grass around the birdhouse and the camera cuts away. That's movie shorthand for sex.

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Three years after the original post:

That last shot had me thinking too.

I try to see it from Book's point of view:

Book made up his mind. Says farewell to the boy. He has an even harder time saying farewell to Sara(?) but he does it anyway. Cause he decides for himself that the amish way of life really isn't for him. (he's thinking: how long can I fool myself... maybe a couple of years before i start missing the big city, music, the barfights maybe... In the end he'll go back to the city, and he knows it.)
So he's sitting there in his car thinking that he made up his mind and drives away from the woman for whom he considered changing his ENTIRE way of life (that's love man).

and then with his decision fresh in his mind, he drives passed a man who he knows (is in love with and) is on his way to the woman he just left behind. Hell, I'd step on my brakes too...

He's not saying goodbye to the guy, he's nog chatting with him like the other people here are claiming. (Maybe he nodded but that's not really the point. )
It's a pauze. It's doubt. He's thinking: "am i making a good decision here?" And apparently he sticks with it and drives on.

Very though decision don't you agree =)



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Exactly as I've always seen it, too.

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that's good

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I decided to go searching for the script; it's here:

http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Witness.html

Original script says:

He wants to kiss her, but does not. Their eyes say it all.
Eli has a final word, SHOUTING from the porch.

ELI
You be careful, John Book! Out among
them English!

Book gets quickly into the car.

INT. /EXT. DRIVEWAY – LAPP FARM – DAY

As Book drives, he sees an open buggy coming down the hill
toward the farm, He slows as he passes, It's Daniel
Hochstetler. A long beat, and as they pass, Hochstetler gives
Book an expansive tip of his hat.

INT. BOOK'S CAR

Book turns to look back at his rival, a doubt in his eyes.

FREEZE FRAME.

FADE OUT

THE END


So I think your interpretation's pretty spot on about the film's portrayal of the original intention.

Just paging through it, it looks like the script is worth a read. I like this film a lot and the script could give it even more depth plus an insight into what changes between the page and the stage.

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I agree absolutely with this view of the terminal scene...he just had to leave though he knew the love of his life is the Amish widow (though the community would absorb him in the time anyway) and Godunov's character has expected him to leave, but without knowing how close and deep their relationship was...but could have only guessed but would never recognize...
...I too think that John and Sara had a close relationship, meaning a physical contact after they raised the birdhouse and the old Eli had finally resigned to resist his daughter-in-law in ultimate having a fine time with John once...

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That's what I always got from it too.

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Maybe he stopped to ask him if he'd like to go grab a beer, but then he realized he was Amish and they don't drink.

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Like that idea

Why bother with a signature?

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Nope, it's for beer.

Yeah your right, but a joke's always funny.

Why bother with a signature?

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Actually, he slows down to simply ask Daniel the quickest way back to the interstate, but then he remembers they don't drive, so he pulls off. I thought that was pretty obvious.

No but really I'm glad someone posted about this because I didn't realize what had happened there. I thought he merely slowed down to bid farewell but now I see that he slowed down as he gave one last thought to turning around. It must have hurt him to see Daniel creepin in on his woman as he left but Book knew he had to leave. Cool way to end it.

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C'mon now. The reason John pulled over was to ask for directions to Nakatomi Plaza.

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He was asking for a quick 3way before he went. Daniel had no clue what that was, so he drove on.

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Book made a stiff-as-a-board innuendo. Daniel thought he was referring to the wooden boards used to build the barn. Frustrated, Book drove on.

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He stopped to inform Hochleitner that Rachel now has a raging case of crabs.

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"You be careful, Daniel Hochstetler! Out among them crabs!"

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Just my opinion, but I still say they didn't have sex. That intense look when she was in the shower conveyed that they had a serious thing going on. Meaning he better leave soon, or else they will be sleeping together. But they never went all the way, or else he would be staying. You don't sleep with an Amish girl and then leave. The bird house scene was just 2 people who have feelings for each other. So anyway he left...and when he passed the blonde guy, to me it looked like he simply slowed down so as to quickly say goodbye to him. He's obviously not going to just fly by without acknowledging him. I don't think he stopped to reconsider his decision, because it was already made. I don't think he viewed the blonde guy as a rival; the dude was a nice guy. It would be very disrespectful to sleep with another man's girl, and then leave. So I just don't see that as happening. I guess I'm taking the realistic view and not reading too much into things.

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The script may say one thing, but filmmakers often change intentions for the actual movie. He slows down to say goodbye to Daniel, which shows the audience that 1) Book has accepted that Daniel is a better match for Rachel in the long run 2) Daniel no longer harbors ill will towards Book and 3) Rachel will be loved in the end.

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