My belief is that the film was toned down by the producers to make the movie more accessible to a broad audience, which actually hurt the film. If you look at the other action films of that time, they were sort of violent and over-the-top. Think 'Commando', 'Rambo', 'Terminator'. I read many of the books in the Destroyer series, and they are much darker in tone. Remo would have offed a lot more people had his character been more like the original.
But, still a gret film, too bad they didn't continue the series. Thoughts?
It failed because of a number of reasons. 1)The film's producer's tried to distance their film from the source material, i.e. Murphy and Sapir's book series. Their attitude was to denegrate the books and then claim that their movie was vastly superior to those awfull books. 2)The cast for the most part was all wrong. As much as I like Fred Ward as an actor I felt that he didn't quite match up to the way Remo should have been portrayed. Joel Gray did an admirable job as Chiun but poor Wilfred Brimley was totally miscast as Smith. Someone like William Daniels or Dabney Coleman would have been much better in the role. 3)The villain was laughable. In the books Remo and Chiun have to contend with a cadre of resourcefull villains such as a renegade Master of Sinanju (Nuihc), an insane robot (Mr. Gordons), a mutant trained in the art of Sinanju (The Dutchman), and a computer determined to rid the world of humans (Friend). The villain in REMO was light weight to say the least. All of the reasons add up to why the film did so poorly at the box office. Lets hope that the producers of the new film do a better job.
I agree with both of the above posters, even if they disagreed. Remo's schizophrenic filmmakers were unsure of their target audience amid 1985's sociopolitical spectrum, and villain Grove was a dull competitor to Bond nasties of the SPECTRE/Blofeld variety.
More reasons to consider....
A) MEDIOCRE MARKETING... Despite focusing Remo ads around the iconic Statue of Liberty sequence (emulating Hitchcock) there was no real communication to introduce audiences to who Remo was (or Chiun) and WHY they should be interested in these new heroes. Remo Williams didn't offer audiences any of the usual gimmicks that had become James Bond cliches - but the producers hid from this fact in shy embarrassment, rather than boldly and proudly pointing out Remo's fresh attributes in clever advertising that might have stuck uniquely in audience memory, enough to go "hey, let's go see that." Examples - gadgets, vehicles, damsels?... Remo clumsily destroyed his own training gym, drove a beatup old truck off a mountain, and got chastised by a loudmouth NYC traffic cop. Somebody could easily create a new trailer for YouTube remarketing Remo the way it could have been advertised.
B) LACK OF APPEAL... As a crude-thug "leading man," Fred Ward didn't attract ladies as easily as the charming debonair Bond did, and Remo wound up as chaste as a monk. (The Dobermans probably got more tail than he did.) The producers didn't want to risk an "R" rating from the Destroyer books, for fear of alienating potential box-office from the tamer PG 007 crowd. At the same time, they couldn't figure out how to manage the "new" 1-year-old PG-13 rating. Its strictness scared away many parents, fearful of taking their kids to a risky adventure movie that was "almost R"... ironic that while PG-13 Remo was more brutal and profane than PG Bond, the Remo movie utilized ZERO sex appeal (unless you count a Pentagon officer caressing the knuckles of Kate Mulgrew in her buttoned uniform) which disappointed fans hoping for Remo to indulge a little lust temptation. Chiun's bigoted Korean male chauvinist pig attributes could have been used in marketing to help explain why Remo is the way he was.
C) ***BAD RELEASE... the studio released Remo in OCTOBER - WHY? That seems an odd time to launch a new secret agent franchise, much less try to capture a substantial audience for profitable success. Roger Moore's final Bond was that summer's "View to a Kill" released Memorial Day weekend at the end of May 1985 - right in time for the backyard BBQ holiday audience. I understand Remo's producers wanting to avoid competing with bigger-profile 007. Springtime (March-April 1985) could have captured a partial school audience eager for summer escapism to begin - while also benefiting from audience anticipation of Moore's final Bond not yet in theaters. Later, August 1985 could have netted summer vacationers craving one last adventure flick before school resumed, AND benefitted from audience disappointment from View to a Kill. At any rate, OCTOBER 1985 seems a barren deathbed as lousy as January. Far fewer audience members were available to the box-office at that point, so Remo slipped quickly out of theaters unnoticed.
D) SMALL SCREEN... Despite Remo's producers hiring former 007 filmmakers (the writer & director had previously made 70's Roger Moore flicks) they spent only a fraction of a Bond budget, and worse yet ignored the WIDESCREEN 2.35 aspect ratio of Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, For Your Eyes Only and Octopussy by filming REMO WILLIAMS in "small screen" 1.85 - barely wider than a TV set. This lack of ambitious spectacle further diminished Remo's impact with low-brow blue-collar cheese factor. Although photographer Andrew Laszlo filmed Remo's locations beautifully, they would have looked even more impressive widescreen.
ultimately Remo was discovered by audiences at home, thanks mostly to HBO which aired it incessantly. For several years I remember overhearing dozens of people in video stores pointing out Remo to their friends asking if they'd seen it yet - always enthusiastic, like it was a surprising gem they were eager to share. Likewise kids at school were fond of quoting Chiun.
The producers still didn't appreciate what they were sitting on, because after Reagan left office, they made a Remo TV series pilot 20 times more bass-ackwards cheap than the movie.
Not much to argue with. The title was tepid. "The Destroyer" would have been a much grabbier title.
The advertising sucked, and the villain was a pansy.
Don't you dare talk down about the books, though. They're satirical, funny, and over the top insanely violent. Warren Murphy just took the franchise back and is writing them again, instead of having them ghost written. A shame Dick Sapir is dead.
It tanked enough that it won't get remade. With the right marketing, a Destroyer movie could easily succeed today. There's a slim possibility of that, but I'm not holding out.
Yeah, the problem was the villains. They weren't all that terrible. They had connection and control of the military complex, but alone they were just golf club leisure-suited executives out of their league. I mean, who couldn't kill Grove? And the only real threatening villain to Remo, physically, was dispatched almost as easily, and he was really done in by his own ego. I don't mind the post-Watergate cynicism, and this movie is a guilty pleasure for me, but I do admit the flaws. Too toned-down, leave more claws in the story next time.
What doesn't kill you, can make you stronger or leave you crippled. --Brenicus
I agree that the movie was toned down. It is PG-13 and might have been a lot better if it was R instead. Scenes between Ward and Grey were generally good to excellent, but most of the other characters were poorly written and underdeveloped. The potential sexual relationship between Remo and the Major never gets developed in any way, thus making the presence of a "love interest" type character superfluous. The villains were not very threatening either. It got stuck in the limbo between teen movie and adult movie. Lets face it, from the looks of it the movie was pretty low-budget and the FX were terrible.
The idea that it failed because of some political reaction to its content is laughable. Whoever came up with that idea has too much time on their hands. It failed because it really isn't a very good movie.
I just saw the whole thing for the first time yesterday. I've seen bits and pieces, but finally rented it.
I wanted to like it a lot more than I did. There were certain parts of this movie that were pretty funny and entertaining. But others made me sorta just shake my head. The plot was really fuzzy at times too.
It wasn't bad, but just ok. I remember what made me want to see this movie was the Statue of Liberty scene. Fun, hokey, entertaining. As was the scene with the dogs and a few other action scenes.
I remember seeing this in about 1992 on late night TV.
I always assumed it was a straight out comedy. Why does everyone keep reviewing it like it was a serious (albiet bad) action film?
I seem to remember a scene where a jeep flips, Remo rubs a twig with his thumb, setting it on fire, then tossing it behind him into the fuel tank of the jeep. KABOOM! Hilarious!
So why all the serious analysis? Its a freakin comedy (albiet CRAP)!
It failed because there wasnt enough action. Pure and simple. Had he been taking people out like Rambo or something the film would've done gangbusters. Instead they relied on stunts instead of actual fights and assassinations (Which is what Chuin is and Remo is supposed to be)
That and no sex appeal killed the film for audiences.
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actually, you might be right. I haven't watched this entire film but it's always on whenever I flip past kungfuHD. I tried to watch it but it took too long for the action to start. Assuming there was any action since I didn't bother to watch anymore.
I've never even seen it, but I've read many of the books, and (judging by the descriptions of the movie here) I think that whynotspoonerism is right about many things. For one thing, the books (especially the earlier ones) have enough sex and violence (and on a touchier level, combinations of the two - and by the hero, not just the villains!) to make a Bond fan blush! So in the case of the sex, why not give at least a hint of that (or more), instead of "sexual tension" that STAYS that way throughout the movie? And in the case of the violence, as one person here says, why not show actual assassinations? The past few years seem to be FULL of "heroic" assassins (Mr and Mrs. Smith etc. etc. etc.), in movies, and even a premium cable show! Which makes the lack of that in this movie kind of laughable (considering the lack of "taboos" in any given movie from ' 85!). Will the new movie (if there is one) ALSO leave out these two OBVIOUS things from the books?