In one scene we see Lady Kaede on the ground, crying and begging the 2nd brother to divorce/kill his wife Sue. We see an insect on the ground, on its back, strampling with its leg. She crushes it with one of her dresses. I think it was a cicada.
Do you think she really killed it? Or did she just fake stomping it with her fist on the cloth? Anyone?
You high?
sharenope, it's a serious question.
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Of course I have, but the actress playing Kaede killed the cicada(?) on purpose, for the sake of a movie, possibly instructed by Kurosawa.
Is there no background info (interviews, DVD commentary, film studies research) on this particular scene?
What do you mean "for the sake of a movie" ?
Did you think the bug had anything more significant to offer the world?
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I expect they used a specially trained stunt insect for this particular scene, as is common practise for any movie production that features insect action sequences.
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This is a ridiculous conversation.
On his commentary for 'The Shawshank Redemption', Frank Darabont says that for the scene where Brooks feeds a grub to a crow, an ASPCA lady came along to make sure the grub had "died of natural causes." They weren't allowed to feed a live grub to the crow. The crew bought the grub from a bait shop, where bait is sold to be stuck on hooks. The grub's number was up.
This is what happens when you let things go too far.
We're all in it together.
I'm sorry zingzangspillip, but the movie scene you just described shouldn't be compared to the cicada killing scene. You can of course compare them, but there's too much of a blatant difference between these two scenes.
If you feed a grub to a cow, the grub serves a natural purpose, that is, food. You can film it, you can commentate the scene and even make fun of the grub being killed by the teeth of the cow - it won't change a thing and I won't mind that.
In contrast, if an actress kills a cicada for a movie scene, there is no natural purpose, the cicada died for our entertainment / for the sake of art.
..we could then of course argue about the limitations or non-limitations of art.
Anyway, I urge you guys to be on the look-out for the cicada-killing scene next time you watch Ran.
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You almost cannot 'let things go to far' in the issue of allowing animals to be butchered for entertainment imho.
If you allow insects and it becomes normal to kill insects for entertainment what then? Torturing insects? What after that - a mouse is just a little larger than a moth - why not allow mice? Can the line (between what is allowable and not) be fixed or can it slide about.
In any way I think Darabont was complaining about a practice that protects the image of Hollywood and that is positive about the movie industry. This is a good thing, many movies made 30-50 years ago (admittedly not all Hollywood) depict serious cruelty towards more advanced creatures, it seems to have been more common in the past.
Anyway the insect scene did not bother me much, perhaps because it did not seem gratuitously cruel and played a notable role in this stunning work of art. And in addition Kurosawa (in the cut I saw anyway) does not show the boar being killed at the beginning.
Sorry, mate, most adults aren't bored enough to care about torturing insects.
Go lecture children on the playgrounds instead.
Not everyone should be entitled to express an opinion.
If it is insignificant then get off this thread you idiot.
You waste your time posting on a subject that means zero to you.
(possible animal harm)
The insect looked like it was injured by the way it was flailing around on the ground. It's possible that Kaede recognized this and decided to grab it and bring it to a doctor for rehabilitation.
shareby myriade » Wed Feb 23 2011 11:44:25 Flag ▼ | Reply |
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In one scene we see Lady Kaede on the ground, crying and begging the 2nd brother to divorce/kill his wife Sue. We see an insect on the ground, on its back, strampling with its leg. She crushes it with one of her dresses. I think it was a cicada.
Do you think she really killed it? Or did she just fake stomping it with her fist on the cloth? Anyone?
Omg, my stomach hurts, just magnificent, will save this page and read it later.
Genius
The old Fake-Stomping-the-Cicada Trick! That's the second time I've fallen for it this month!
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