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Explain 2 things to me, if possible:


1. Near the end, they stop driving the truck because Zack detecs high levels of ionising radiation that could detonate the explosives to early.
But later, Zack suggests driving the truck with remote control, but he drops that idea, and drives it anyway.
I don't understand:
- How did he managed to drive it anyway, if there were high radiation levels, which would trigger the explosives?
- Even if he remote controlled the truck, it still would have been in danger of exploding too early.
Was that problem even adressed?

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It seems to me that the Effect happened again, just before Zack triggered the explosive.
But didn't the Effect needed to happen later? If I remember, in 6 o'clock in the morning?
By the survivors' behavior, it looked like they aren't in such a rush.
But then, Zack drives the truck and explodes just at the time of Effect, meaning that, if they lost a little more time, they would fail in destroying the research center.
So, did Zack knew when exactly will the Effect happen again, but lied to Joanne and Api because of some reason?

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Zack feels like a fifth wheel after Api turns up, it's clear the women likes Api more and doesn't see Zack as a potential Adam to her Eve.

He sacrifices himself in the hope they will have a better life without him.

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W... wait... what does that have to do with any of my 2 questions?


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So, did Zack knew when exactly will the Effect happen again, but lied to Joanne and Api because of some reason?


he lied to them and sacrificed himself, because he felt responsible for the catastrophe and the girl didnt like him as much.

And he was sick of living the groundhog day scenarios.

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Zak died during the second Effect. The event begun probably triggered by the truck exploding, killing him at the same time, which is why he gets transported to another parallel universe, leaving the other two survivors behind. OT: But I hope they both felt like crap afterwards for being a couple douches.

http://www.1971-reviewae.com/2013/05/star-trek-and-terrorism-into-dark ness.html

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How weren't they douches.

Comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable

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Api almost killed Zack when Api was driving a big rig with Joanne, he nearly drove Zak off the road just to prove he was the alpha male. Then Joanne, in the passenger seat, held Zak's hand intimately to demonstrate that it worked and that she approved of his macho behavior. Meanwhile, all Zack was trying to do the whole time was warn them that there were dangerous levels of microwave radiation they were driving into.

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Too bad that time didnt loop when he blew up the satellite dish/energy grid, and it would start with the first morning.
Would be LOL.

Or at least that hed wake up where everybody else got teleported too. Since they vanished Ive my doubts about death.

Technically he died in a big blow before it effect happened again.


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Please stop calling him Zack.

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"- How did he managed to drive it anyway, if there were high radiation levels, which would trigger the explosives?
- Even if he remote controlled the truck, it still would have been in danger of exploding too early.
Was that problem even adressed?"

That wasn't specifically addressed, no.

But Zac says, "The labs so hot with ionization, it would be like driving into a microwave oven." I'm not scientist but what I got from that statement was that it would be potentially dangerous to drive the truck in. Not that the truck would *DEFINITELY* explode the second it started driving towards the lab. It was risky. But there was no guarantee that the truck would explode before they got there. And, aside from the remote control idea, they really didn't have any other option but to drive the truck in.

"But didn't the Effect needed to happen later?"

Thats a little ambiguous. Zac predicted the effect to occur at a specific time. But there is a strange, surreal disturbance at one point in the movie where Joanne says, "you're calculations are wrong, its too soon" to which Zac replies, "that was just a tremor, next time it will be the real thing" But Api apparently is very skeptical of Zac saying, "you're calculations are a waste of time"

I think the point there was that Zac might have been a little arrogant. He made predictions but there was no way of really knowing for sure. They also mention earlier in the film that the character of Perrin "threw the switch" at the beginning of the movie causing the effect to occur. Zac says, "Our little effect is now happening tomorrow morning. But there's no Perrin. And no switch. So maybe the effect and the grid (at the lab) are totally unrelated!"

So even Zac admits that there's a great deal of uncertainty regarding why the effect happened, why it was going to happen again, and precisely WHEN it would occur.

I don't think Zac knew the effect was going to occur right when it did. I think it most likely occurred early.

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Korabljenik, I hope to answer both of your questions:

Did Zac lie about the danger? No. On top of the radiation indicator's flashing light and alarm, he drove recklessly to stop Api from getting too close to the lab, suggesting the danger was real, but not certain.

Driving the explosive filled truck was a calculated risk. Zac knew that the effect, which made the living die (or vanish), would repeat "tomorrow morning." Morning was approaching, and he did not want to be responsible for more deaths (i.e., Joanne and Api) and sought to take down the grid to prevent the second effect. Accordingly, he gambled by driving the truck to the satellite dish, just hoping to get there and not explode prematurely. There was no time for any other option.

The question about the timing of the effect is critical to enjoying the brilliant, delicious, unmatched irony of the film:

Zac only survived because he committed suicide TWICE.

He failed to blow up the instillation before the second effect took place. The effect and Zac's detonation were simultaneous, thus he 'died' at the instant of the effect a second time.

Did that answer both questions?

Side Note: Korabljenik asked about the specific time of the effect, which at the start of the film was 6:12. If one 'translates' that time code from the digital clock into a Revelations chapter and verse, the resulting text references a "great earthquake" and "moon turned to blood red," looking like the film's audio and graphic representation of the effect.

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"1. Near the end, they stop driving the truck because Zack detecs high levels of ionising radiation that could detonate the explosives to early. ..."

No, that's not what he meant. He meant the high ionization would be dangerous to THEM, hence his idea to use a remote control. He never said it could cause the explosives to go off.

Once he decided to drive the truck & blow the explosives manually, that ionization danger no longer mattered.

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>>"1. Near the end, they stop driving the truck because Zack detecs high
>>levels of ionising radiation that could detonate the explosives to early. ..." 



> No, that's not what he meant. He meant the high ionization would be dangerous
> to THEM, hence his idea to use a remote control. He never said it could cause
> the explosives to go off.

cableaddict , I believe you are wrong about the danger being exclusive to them, but admit neither of us can be certain. While Zac did not explicitly say either way, he said that it would be like “driving into a microwave,” which could be problematic for both humans and explosives. The use of the remote control would be a solution for either concern.

The research I found said that such a concern was common, but that with small doses of ionizing radiation (i.e., x-ray scans) “damage to conventional commercial explosives would not be expected.” I took Zac's statement to mean that there was a great deal more ionizing radiation than an x-ray scan.

http://www.ime.org/userfiles/files/X-Ray%20Effects%20on%20Chemical%20Explosives.pdf

With that said, it is irrelevant whether the potential danger to the explosives was real or imagined.

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It's never suggested that the radiaton would set off the explosives.

It's a given that the radiaton would contaminate any life form exposed to it, and any of their offspring would be most likely mutated, if they would be capable of reproducing at all.

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Dear madpogue,

> It's never suggested that the radiaton would set off the explosives.

Again, that is debatable as such an inference isn't unreasonable. All we know is that Zac had concerns about the radiation being dangerous, but he isn't explicit about the danger.

>It's a given that the radiaton would contaminate any life form exposed to it, and
>any of their offspring would be most likely mutated, if they would be capable
> of reproducing at all.

Granted.

That does not, though, exclude the possibility that he could have had fears about the radiation's impact on the explosives. If the IME (Institute of Makers of Explosives) has addressed the issue multiple times, it is a commonly held worry, real or imagined.

Additionally, Zac could well have worried about its effect on both themselves AND the explosives. It is never suggested that his concerns are exclusive to cell damage.

Personally, I would not want to walk into a microwave with or without explosives.

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Since both of the assumptions are incorrect, the questions are moot.

No one actually says the explosives will go off, only that it would be unsafe for the humans to drive further.
And we can't assume that the effect that occurred as Zac drove the truck was the final effect or just another tremor, not that it mattered, since he set off the bomb anyway.
Zac may have predicted the event wrong, but his only lie was that he was going back to town. He was certainly always going to sacrifice himself, and for the same reasons he tried to commit suicide in the beginning. He felt responsible.

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Ewagner-1 wrote,
>Since both of the assumptions are incorrect, the questions are moot.

I am unclear here. Presuming the two “assumptions” are the OP's framing of her/his questions, why are they incorrect and why are the questions moot?

>No one actually says the explosives will go off, only that
>it would be unsafe for the humans to drive further.

I concur, mostly. I went back and watched that scene over. As close as it comes is Api asking, “Are we safe enough here?” and Zac replying, “Yeah, I think so.”

There isn't any confirmation of the exact nature of the danger that the ionizing radiation poses. That it is directly lethal to the human body or indirectly via impacting the explosives are both plausible takes. All we know is that it unsafe to precede further, that it is like “driving into a microwave oven.”

With that said, radiation impacting explosives is a common fear, and the OP's first question is about how Zac was able to safely drive the truck to the satellite array. That is a reasonable question, not irrelevant.

Such a question could be answered by saying that the radiation would not really impact the explosives, and its impact on the body would not be immediate. Neither would be enough to prevent Zac's driving.

>And we can't assume that the effect that occurred as Zac drove
>the truck was the final effect or just another tremor, not that it
> mattered, since he set off the bomb anyway.
>Zac may have predicted the event wrong,

Fair enough, Zac may have predicted the event wrong. I have two problems with that assertion: In terms of the film, Zac is our inside expert, and the story events seem to fit his prediction. For example, his calculations say that the effect will occur “tomorrow morning.” The dawn is clearly breaking at the end when Zac blows up the truck.

Zac may not have been able to pinpoint when in the morning the effect would take place, but whether it was the “final effect or just another tremor” is a moot point, like you wrote, “not that it mattered.”

>He was certainly always going to sacrifice himself, and for the
>same reasons he tried to commit suicide in the beginning.

I don't believe that he was “always going to sacrifice himself.” I don't think he made that decision until Joanne opted to go with Api after they stopped at the bridge. That makes for Joanne's symbolic choice between the two men. I think that was the point of Zac's mournful look and distant stare when the two drove off together.

>He felt responsible.

Agreed, and I'd add that he did not want to be responsible for what a second effect might do, particularly to Joanne and Api.

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1. Gamma radiation cannot cause explosives to detonate unless the explosives are configured in such a way to make them vulnerable, but it will destabilise them over time and that is never good with any volatile substance. Gamma radiation has been known to break some explosives down in to gases which can then be ignited, or to cause crystal formations that make explosives extremely sensitive to movement, but either of these things would take time.

In short, simply driving the truck up to the place would only have an effect on the driver in the short term, not something to worry about if you are about to detonate the explosives manually. He was lying to them again in order for him to go back and deliver the explosives alone.

2. I don't think they wanted the effect to happen again, but even if it did (which I suppose we witnessed) he had atleast destroyed the antennae so the effect may have been local, ie. only affecting him and not the whole planet, or only affecting the Earth and not the whole universe.



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Raf-33,

I agree with you that the radiation would not be an actual threat to the explosives. While I cannot know if your explanation is entirely accurate (it does sound good), the IME said as much. With that said, whether the radiation could impact the explosives does not matter. A fear that it might is sufficient to be a deterrent to driving a truck rigged with explosives into a high radiation area.

My problem with a few of the posts is that some have said definitively that Zac wasn't worried about the radiation's impact on the explosives.

In short, we cannot know that. Zac being a research scientist doesn't mean he knows anything about explosives. Accordingly, it is perfectly valid to think that Zac was concerned as there is no contradictory evidence that he wasn't. Again, if the IME (Institute of Makers of Explosives) publicly addressed the concern multiple times, it is a commonly held worry, real or imagined.

You could be entirely right about Zac lying so he could “go back and deliver the explosives alone.” Like I wrote previously, I don't think he made that decision until Joanne left with Api.

That ambiguity works for me.

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I think Zack knew it the effect would happen again. And it was obvious he was quite jealous of Api. Maybe he hoped Api would die and hewould get a redo with just him and Joanne lol. Who knows.

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