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Good film... for the first hour


I remember i loved this film as a kid, but only the first hour or so as soon as they make it up into space... the film kind of dies, such a shame!

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Ok now look let's not have a scene.

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Picky, picky.

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You said it all... good scifi films are so few and far between, and that's especially true of children's films. I didn't know much about Explorers going in, so as I watched it, I was amazed to see this virtually unknown film that was poised to completely blow my mind. Here was a science project/sci-fi film that had great music and still, to this day, very impressive fx; had a great and charismatic cast; and managed to be educational, inspiring and stimulating for kids and adolescents without being in the least condescending. As the spacecraft was on its second ascent, I was on the edge of my seat, ready after an hour of buildup to be amazed.

I understand the arguments of the few people who defended the film in its entirety... but the fact is that in view of the first hour, the sheer appalling magnitude of the letdown was simply mind-boggling. Five minutes after the protagonists were speculating about beings of pure thought-waves I just sat there and watched, first in disbelief, then in numb horror, at the idiotic, archaic alien designs, the endless TV soundbites, and that musical number from hell. Poor Ben Crandall... he went to the stars in hopes of seeing the best that an alien civilization can offer, and instead had the dumbest aspects of our own thrown right back in his face.

In fact, even as I think, I can't imagine a more *beep* and cynical letdown that the screenwriters could serve up, even if they tried. And they had to wait until test screenings to find that out? Tip to Joe Dante: next time you film a simplistic, one-line parable about childhood and following your dreams, don't set us up for a Kubrickian revelation.

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I've got to agree with this. Here it seemed to me that the movie was building up to an amazing climax...epiphany, revelation. Then suddenly, Bugs Bunny stick and giant hairless Muppets! Arrgghh!

Ursa the ghost bear

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Gaaaaah!! That IS the revelation!!!

oh, dear.

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At Least Stargate had it right.

Robbie

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I took the aliens-zonked-to-TV as a biting commentary on how empty watching TV is. That scene kept going on for so long, it seemed like they wanted to show how sad it was for that to be one's life.

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I felt the same way. The last part of the film really dragged it down. It was like they put all their creativity into devising this "being called to space" thing, and did it so well ... and then realised "wtf do we do now that they are in space ?" and asked the janitor if he could finish off the script for them.

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But he didn't have time, so he asked his three year old to do it. Which it did, in a rush, and was almost immediately ashamed of it.

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Totally Agree, This film is absolutly awesome, one of the best films of the 80's. It totally rocks until they show the first alien, then it just dies.

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I totally DISagree!!!
This film is STILL completely amazing to me. The point of the amusing alien is to show children not to be afraid of new worlds because something fun might come out of it. I dont think any CHILDREN (it's target audience) were dissapointed at the outcome of the film. It's meant to be a happy and fun movie for kids. I don't think the alien "calling" them was meant to have anything deep and meaningful to it.
So, Im completely defending it, because it IS a great film, all the way through.

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I dont think any CHILDREN (it's target audience) were dissapointed at the outcome of the film


I saw the film as a child. So did a lot of my friends. They were all disappointed in the ending. I absolutely loved the film right up to the appearance of the Aliens.

So, Im completely defending it, because it IS a great film, all the way through


It's amazing what can be done with science isn't it? You take a perfectly normal and respectable opinion, and somehow manage to distort it into a fact. I'd love to know the formula for that.

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I'm sorry thehumanfly I didnt mean to make it like my opinion on the film was a scientific fact, I shouldnt have written it in such a way. I guess what Im trying to say is that we shouldnt compare the quality of films now to the quality of films then, back then it was an original idea. but now it's just another kids film and Im disappointed at the perspectives of kids now, and I could probably name at least 10 films much less entertaining than Explorers. For me, the aliens didn't even matter, it was the fun and the adventure of the film that I loved and I think its just wrong for anyone to be negative about that. Well, anyway. Thats my two cents :-)

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I can't disagree with that.

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a civil discussion on the imdb forums?
my faith in humanity has been restored.
and also, i second that!:)

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In E.T., Cocoon, Close Encounters... aliens are always figures of God. Not in Explorers : they are like us. It's disapointing, even for the kids, but it's a nice idea.

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When I was a child I found the aliens irritating.

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Have to agree. Really excellent for the first 70 mins. I was really excited to have discovered a movie I had never heard of before. Really first class acting.

Then suddenly they meet a bunch of idiotic aliens obsessed with pop culture and TV crap! Such a massive change of gear (downwards). It just irritated me immensely and all I wanted to do was turn it off.

What a shame.

(Had no idea Ethan Hawke had been a child actor either. He was excellent then. What happened?!)

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So true. My sister and I saw in back in '85 for my B-Day, it was between this and "The Goonies." My uncle took us, and he had seen "The Goonies" and thought "Explorers" was better.

Anyway, my sister and I liked it up untill the retarded aliens came along, one speaking T.V. and the other waste of space ... I forget what she was doing, and then the dad comes along ... as you can see, I forgot most of that part of the movie. Horrible.

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What movie did you see? The movie was great, I just rented it a few days ago and I still love the dream sceen where he gets the girls and it is just nt a dream, I wish they had made a sequel, but any attempt now would only turn out a peice that has alot of effects and no story. this is a coming of age, love story, believe in your dreams movie that is ageless unless you have gotten so old and bitter your heart has turned to coal., BTW my daughter saw it and she is 13 and loved it, her cousin is 17 and he loved it. They are into the scfi of today to be sure but this old folks movie as they put is one they love two.

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Ok, look, I saw Explorers when it came out. I was the same age as the kids in the film at the time. I loved it. I have loved it for nearly 20 years. I read the book, and the storybook, and making of book. I had the poster, and the soundtrack, and the UK and US videos (just for a few seconds of different scenes). I have pined for years for the great-sounding scenes that were cut from the film.

I could probably sit here and recite the movie line for line, and most of the known trivia about it to boot. Which is sad, but it illustrates how much I have consumed the film. It also serves to reinforce my next point: Nobody, NOBODY, is going to tell me what Explorers is or isn't about, or the relative merits of the morality in it, just because they "rented it a few days ago".

Some people, like it or not, cannot criticise films. They can only say whether they liked it or didn't like it, but nothing else. Unfortunately, that's simply not right. Films can be good, and have bad aspects to them. Just as bad films can have good points. Nothing is ever just 'good' or 'bad'. You think the film is perfect? That's your problem. And I do mean 'problem'. Nothing made by Human Beings is perfect. But I won't get into that now.

My point is: I love the cast of Explorers; I think they were good choices and they acted well. I love the music of Explorers; Jerry Goldsmith created a beautiful and uplifting score. I love the Direction of Explorers; Joe Dante knows how to make an entertaining film. And I also love the story of Explorers, it accurately creates the feelings of excitement and dreams of youth, when anything seemed possible, and you hoped with all your heart it was. I love the little bit at the end when they tease you with the idea of a sequel. But what I don't love, and have never loved, and never will love, is the Aliens. They set up a dreamer to have his dreams come true. They give the promise of a real and emotionally uplifting meeting. And you end up with slapstick and Daffy Duck. I hated that when I was thirteen, and I hate that now. It kills the film. Even Joe Dante says the film was not a finished product when the studio took and released it.

All of this is just my opinion, and if you want to disagree, fine. But as far as I'm concerned, the film is almost a masterpiece; it only fails to deliver when the Boys go into space.

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I personally enjoyed this movie... I will admit that I find the last bit a little weird, but over all I still love every minute of it.

**What's with today, today?**

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Amen.

I too saw EXPLORERS as a child (I was 11 when it debuted) and LOVED it - one of my all time favorites - UNTIL the aliens appeared and suddenly sent the movie to a nauseating chill. Everybody else my age agreed.

I got to meet Jason Presson once and complimented him on the young cast's remarkably real, naturalistic and understated acting style, some of the best ever accomplished. Although he didn't act in much else (Amazing Stories, etc), he appreciated the notice. I discussed the production with him; what it was like working with Dante; the size of the sets on the Melrose lot, etc.

To help understand what went wrong with Explorers, remember that this movie was only greenlit by Paramount as a result of 1984's blockbuster Gremlins. Joe Dante was very hot at the moment, and he was given enormous creative freedom - similar to Bryan Singer on next year's Superman. Eric Luke's rough-draft screenplay was selected, even though nobody really knew what to do for the ACT III climax in space... EXPLORERS was ramped up into design and preproduction, so that filming could commence in October 1984.

That fall, as Hollywood's studios prepared a slate of productions to release summer 1985, there was a wave of "teenage science project" concepts, when each studio felt a need for a powerful summer hit in the teen-science genre in order to compete against the other studios' versions (Back to the Future, Weird Science, Real Genius, My Science Project, Manhattan Project, etc).

With Paramount teamed up with then-hot Gremlins director Dante, they hired ILM as a full partner, spending a fortune for a marathon of top-notch FX... EXPLORERS was going to be elaborate and complicated, with Dante indulging many of his lifelong fantasies, now given full carte blanche and a healthy tab. This movie was going to be one of Paramount's major summer releases.

Many months later the studio realized there was trouble - only after advance screenings held w/ test audiences revealed that virtually EVERYONE hated the final act of the movie, when the aliens appear. By this point, much work had gone into the film (and much $$$ spent), so Paramount feared an embarrassing disaster. They could have stalled the production, temporarily putting EXPLORERS "on hold" while allowing a few creative members of the team to reinvent the story to link the first two acts to a different conclusion.

However, this option would have cost Paramount additional money, and mean that they would miss out on the valuable summer marketplace, with no guarantee of fixing the Act III problem that was appalling the audience. Meanwhile, Universal released the year's biggest blockbuster - BACK TO THE FUTURE - over the July 4 weekend. Audiences were delighted with that project, spreading enthusiastic word of mouth like wildfire.

In a panic, Paramount yanked EXPLORERS away from Dante - who hadn't even finished editing - and released it on July 12 as a "work in progress," hoping that somehow the magic of being a Spielberg protege (as Zemeckis was proving) would rub off on Dante. Explorers more or less died - earning only $9 million, while BTTF cruised past $200m easily. Paramount lost their investment, but for their bottom-line-obsessed board members, they were at least able to use the financial loss of EXPLORERS to help their taxes that year by marking off the entire production.

Dante was frustrated and humiliated, having wanted to deliver something special, but wasn't able to - and now looked somewhat foolish, as if he's squandered all of the goodwill that Gremlins had earned him. (Spielberg was still willing to hire him - as INNERSPACE proved shortly thereafter.)

EXPLORERS played solidly on video and cable, where more viewers discovered its ambitious scope, design, mood and atmosphere. But its generally impressive quality - the acting, music, FX - were never able to overcome the story's fatal flaw. That's sad and unfortunate, since this movie was darn near revolutionary in its potential.

I've still got my Explorers poster, and would never trade or sell it.

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"I've still got my Explorers poster, and would never trade or sell it."

I've got five hundred bucks that says you will.

Anyway, I completely understand now. Cause man did that alien scene suck majorly... ruined the whole movie for me...

Stop sucking and Realise how much I kick ass.

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Just after it was released, I saw the first half of 'Explorers' then the tape was eaten up by my VCR. For years in my mind, it was one of the best movies out and I couldn't wait to see the rest. Years later I watched it on TV and saw the whole thing. What a let-down when the aliens arrived! I had the same feeling after seeing the newly released Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy movie - After YEARS of loving the story in all its versions, loving the ideas behind it, building up the sense of adventure and excitement, all you ended up with at the end of the new movie was a bunch of stupid looking Sesame Street muppets and some hundred-year-old slapstick humour, completely out of place in the futiristic world they'd been trying so hard to build in your mind. Very unsatisfying. But the first hour was still great!

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The first half was a little drabish. It started getting good towards to the end.

I hide in your closet....I hide in your basement....I hide under your bed.

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The first half of the film was amazing, but the whole "Alien kids are mischievous too!" was stupid and the "We should fear ourselves" was moral trite bs. The aliens were annoying, and the stupid musical number thing was horrid. The end should have been so much better, but it was just a couple of annoying aliens out joy riding in their dad's stolen space ship, who were as scared of the kids they abducted as the kids were of them. It's a victim of a terrible third act.

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Okay, we have all bitched about the end of the film. Although if we are honest, the majority of our complaints are from when we first saw it and it burst the bubble of excitement. There are at least some good points or at least lines from that third act.

When Ben points out that he is disappointed after meeting the aliens. He says it isn't what he expected. (That voiced it all, not everything on an adeventure is going to be awe inspiring). Then Wak says 'I know I must look strange to you, but imagine how you look to me?' Maybe the screenplay for this act was poor, but some of the lines at the very least had potential and thought provoking tendencies. Perhaps more time was all that Joe needed to put this right. At least we can see that there was some potential there already.

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I saw this movie as a 13 year old in 1985 and I was not dissapointed by the aliens at the end.

In fact, the whole fact that the aliens were watching 1950's tv shows (The Honeymooners, etc), etc, was an idea that was pretty cool back in 1985...

The 80's in popular film was a time when there was a lot of commentary on the 50's (Back to the Future, etc) so that fits the time frame...

Granted, there could have been more "Spielbergian wonder" added to the meeting of the aliens...

But guess what-- It wasnt Spielberg that directed this movie- it was- yep- Joe Dante....

....what does that mean? It means you're going to get Spielberg mixed with the classic Warner Bros cartoons. The wistfulness of E.T. vs Bugs Bunny's wisecracking

Joe Dante is no carbon copy director, that guy was a unique individual back then, as well as now, and his films all have a trademark set of references to his own background as a filmmaker. Sure, he was a Spielberg proteje', but he used that to his advantage to get these films made back then...

After shocking audiences with "Gremlins", I think Dante wanted to make a film that would NOT scare kids. The result was this film.

I would be OK to let my 8 year old daughter watch Explorers.
I still WON'T let her watch Gremlins.

If you want a deep, meaningful film that does NOT "trivialize" the meeting of a human with "aliens"...you have other films you can view...

(Close Encounters, Contact, heck even 2001 if you have to go really esoterical on it)

This was a 10-13 year old kid's movie, & in my humble opinion, it was made for them.... I think the wisecracking alien (Wak) was pretty funny, and back then, in the 80's, it was actually very cool.

This movie was not trying to make "E.T. part 2" or "Close Encounters part 2"...this was a unique film with a different ending than what one might expect.

Especially now, in our CGI enveloped, comic book entrenched version of "sci fi" movies we have (HellboyII, GI Joe, the Hulk with Edward Norton, etc, etc), I think films like Explorers represents what was good about movies in the 80's, and partly also shows what we are missing in films in 2009-2010.


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couldn't agree more.

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dude i so agree with that statement and i always used to think the same thing... the first hour is dope but once they get into the spaceship it turns into *beep*

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I do like the movie as a whole, but now that I go back 15 years later to watch it...yeah, the last half is mung.

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I disagree. I think the ending was actually a nice twist. I mean no one would have EXPECTED the ending. Everyone expected some superior aliens with incredible intellegence. What they ended up with is a couple of kids, not unlike themselves, looking for the same answers to questions they have, "Are aliens anything like we think they are?" I'm sure aliens have pre-concieved notions about us as we have about them.

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I think what people are forgetting is a few facts about the ending:

1.) the aliens themselves were kids.

and 2 (more importantly)
the aliens don't really act the way they were acting at the end. they were acting that way because they thought (from tv) that THAT is the way earthings act. So when they were calling the earth kids up, they assumed that is how they would be able to comunticate with them.
The film is a beautiful twist.
the first half of the movie is about how we perceive aliens and the second half is about how they perceive us.
i think it's brilliant.

2 cents

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I agree somekid! I saw it when I was younger, not long after it came out. I loved the entire movie!! I thought the alien bit was great! It changed the way I perceived aliens and paved the way for me to enjoy Star Trek! (I'm a sci-fi geek anyways). After I had children I couldn't wait to share the movie with them! My children love the movie as well, and we all rock out with the song at the end. I loved it as a child and I love it now! I love all the corny jokes and TV talk. I could so understand the alien point of view after that! I know all films have their good points and bad points and in my opinion, they took all the bad points out when they edited it for TV!!!


~Better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt~

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man that was a decent flick for the time and it was good all the way through.
who sang that song in it onthe ship All around the world rock and roll is here to stay?

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Well I like the film but the thing is, when it got to the part with the aliens and the whole space pirates thing it just ruins it for me.

If I can mix Code Lyoko, Marvel and DC together.

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I agree with the OP

I watched it again last night (having not seen it for 10yrs) and it felt like a gritty, boys own adventure ...but as soon as the aliens showed up it turned into a silly comedy.

Still love it though because this film and classics like BTTF and Flight of the Navigator made my childhood.

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I liked the aliens, and the fact is, the aliens are just kids too. It's not saying thats everything their race has to offer, and I liked that initionally the Ethan Hawke's character was dissapointed. For me, it added a level of sadness to the comedy. As does the fact that the aliens are too frightened to visit our planet due to humans being war like.

And you know, if real aliens are watching earth's tv, you can bet they think we are a planet of nutters.

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Never saw this film when it was first released.
Just finished watching with my kids, for the first time on film4.
Thought the first hour was great, SFX really held up well even after 20 years, but oh, those aliens!
I know this was a film aimed primarily at children but surely they could have made the aliens more convincing it would have made the weak plot ending more bearable.

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to spke532 it was Robert Palmer that sang the song all around the world

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I have to say, I completely agree. I watched this earlier on Film Four (UK film channel) and I was really enjoying it, up until they arrived on the ship. I hate to break it to the writer, director, etc, but that alien was NOT funny! That part of the film where he was standing in front of a huge TV screen and talking complete rubbish for what seemed like forever, was absolutely pointless. As for the ending, what was that all about? The crystal glows and all of a sudden they're all floating in the clouds... eh?

"Long live the new flesh" Videodrome

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I HATE THOSE DAMN ALIENS!!!

They completely ruin the movie...

That whole alien scene is just embarrassing and feels like a world away from the first hour...

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Juat a question. I remember an "alien" movie, but not the name. I'm hoping this one is the one I'm thinking about.

Kids go to outerspace, but I swear they took off in a treehouse. Or at least a treehouse was in the movie . . I think. When they get there, they meet these two BIG aliens who are into TV programs, I think. What I remember clearly, or clearer than the rest of it, is that, at the end of the kids' time in space, the HUGE parents of these BIG aliens come along.

So, is this the one?


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Not the treehouse. But as far as everything else is concerned, this is the film.

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I wonder where I got the treehouse from. Oh Well.

Thanks very much Ozymandias-King-of-Kings. I appreciate it. It's been a very long time since I've seen it and not knowing the title was one of those little nagging "drive-me-crazy" type things.

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i actually just saw this film today for the first time! I read about it on here and didnt read any of the threads in the message board.

I LOVED the first 2/3 of this film! It reminded me of the Goonies, it was intelligent, it was something that even adults could enjoy and i was excited as to how they were gonna end this!

and what a disappointment it ended up being! The minute the Aliens came into it, it lost proper direction, the story went to pieces and i lost some respect for the film.

The ending could have been much better imo.

thanx to maccreedy for shedding sum light on why the ending was so bad, that was an interesting story! If only they had givin the directo sum extra time to finish editing etc then this movie, imo, would hav thrived at the box office

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