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Wasn't DARYL actually a cyborg? I mean he was mostly organic, it seemed to me only a very small part of him (the majority of his brain) was electronic. Even a Terminator (which is more a robot than cyborg as the outside flesh is just a surface covering for what I would define as a true robot) is more machine than DARYL. Clearly enough of his organic brain remains as he feels emotions and aesthetic preferences, somehow I doubt a computer A.I. would be able to emulate those things so easily.

This is by no means a critical question, I was just curious if anyone else had thoughts on this. This movie raised other more interesting questions/ideas like the nature of humanity and the line between that and machine (something STNG explored ad nauseum with Data), plus the concepts of family and the ethics of military research.

Just watched it tonight for the first time in probably 18 years, saw it the first time on VHS when that was still a relatively new format. It's one of the few movies I've watched again after so long and didn't find myself wishing I hadn't. It does try to be cloying at times but it doesn't bother me, I find it a refreshing change of pace.

After watching this, I feel like current directors should watch a few 80's movies and learn from them. Some of the angst and grim "realism" of the current movies lacks the hope and charming innocence of these "sappy" movies. There is something to be said for a movie that doesn't make me feel depressed and tired like I just endured the experience rather than enjoyed it.

And I really enjoyed this movie, then and now.

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War of the Worlds saddened me when I saw it this past weekend. I found it emotionally manipulative and boring, and I can't for the life of me think of why Spielberg remade a movie that was fine just the way it was.

When I watched DARYL again recently, I kept thinking that THIS is the kind of movie Spielberg made in the 80's. Whether it was the Goonies (he wrote the original story) or E.T. or even one of the Indiana Jones movies, there is a sense of awe, a thrilling amount of peril/action, and a cheeky amount of comedic fun thru the whole film. Characters were a touch cartoony, over the top, and exagerated, but they were easily identifiable and we cared about them, because we knew them. Two dimensional they may have been, but the characters had a rich range of emotions and back story/personal history which made them more interesting than they would have been otherwise. Which leads to the biggest flaw in current movies...

To grind my favorite axe, the biggest problem with today's films is that I don't care about the characters. I seldom know more about them than their name and their immediate goal, and that's not good enough. Bad or non-existant dialogue for the sake of character development and a complete lack of fleshing out main characters, weakens the dramatic tension to a crippling degree.

They need to be fleshed out, they need to be more than one dimensional, just two dimensional would be nice at this point. Characters need to have humorous/interesting backgrounds, maybe some kind of complex motivation for doing whatever, and have a sense of fun. Even evil characters are more enjoyable when there is a spirit of fun (somewhere in their madness and cruelty). Characters need to have anecdotes, quirky habits, completely ridiculous or irrelevant backstory that will make us laugh, something. Most characters in films these days, I can't empathize with them because I can't find anything to relate to in them. They are just names on a page.

If I don't care about the character, what difference does it make whether he succeeds? If a villain is a cardboard cut-out from any of a hundred other movies, how can I suspend my disbelief that he won't inevitably lose (or even, how can I root for him to some degree?). If the dialogue is either spare or almost non-existant, how will I know what is internally happening with the heroes, what emotions they are going thru, what fears they have, etc.?

In DARYL, I cared about all the principle characters and understood them. I knew what they were doing and felt apprehension when they were confronted by the "bad guys" (the only real flaw being that the military villains were kind of cheesy/one dimensional). When the climax of the film arrived, I was rooting hard for DARYL and was able to buy into the sadness and potential for failure, even knowing that there had to be a happy ending. And when that ending came, I smiled and felt good about the whole experience.

War of the Worlds...not so much. The end of that film, I was annoyed, bored, irritated, and a host of other negative emotions. Never has Stephen made such a pointless movie, more so than even Jurassic Park 2, I kid you not. The original was perfect just the way it was, we didn't need an updated version whose only improvement, and that only slight, was in special F/X (that ultimately hurts the film by foolishly showing goofy looking aliens instead of just hinting at them as a better movie would, destroying what little fearful quality/power the aliens had in the enigma of appearance we had in the original movie).

Dakota Fanning is a great actress but her only funcion in the movie is to emotionally manipulate the audience thru her shouting, crying, and her constantly being put in danger to heighten dramatic tension in what is a really boring movie, and that's not good enough. (Also, when you only have two main characters, for the most part, you know neither one of them is gonna die. Kind of a bad move dramatically.) Everytime she tearfully and fearfully looked into the camera for "her moment" (of which there were far too many), I was hoping a Tripod was gonna squash her and put her screaming, annoyingly weak character out of my misery.

If you only have two or three characters for the bulk of the film, there is simply no excuse to not have interesting moments of dialogue and to take all the waiting around because nothing is happening moments (of which there are many) to have meaningful, or funny, or cathartic moments of interaction. The dialogue in this movie was clunky in it's humor, hamhanded in emotion, and uninspired in it's spareness of expression. Not only did I not care what happened to the characters, I was waiting for something bad to happen just so I would be surprised and find one small shred of enjoyment in this turgid, slow ride that was unsatisfying at best and a feat of endurance at worst.

I want to be entertained and have fun. I want to be taken away from reality and laugh, be amazed, afraid, follow right along with the characters and share in the defeats and victories so that I CARE about what happens and feel that the battle was worth it in the end. Don't saddle me with a film where at the end, I am annoyed and feeling cheated by the lack of anything worthwhile, by character's whose names I barely remember and know nothing about, or by a trite, depressing ending. Not saying I need a happy ending, but one that feels right, is meaningful, and that has some kind of payoff at the end isn't asking for too much.

Make my movies fun, not pointlessly won.

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I find a common thread running thru "D. A. R. Y. L.", "Short Circuit", "Terminator 2" & "RoboCop". In the first three, each main character was designed to be a cold, calculating machine, but in one way or another learned how to think abstractly & emote. The fourth wasn't supposed to retain those things, but did, so I figure Murphy belongs in this group. All of these came by their "feelings" whether they wanted to, or not. It just happened. Data, on the other hand, is different. He decided, come hell or high water, he was gonna get emotions even if it killed him (which it did, in a way). In all five examples, the machines ultimately benefited from having acquired "humanity". It may have been a Pyhrric Victory for the CS-101 from "T2" & Data, but at least the latter had the opportunity, and sense enough, to burn off a copy before the Big Bang!

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by definition a cyborg is a machine with an intelligent biological brain.
daryl was the opposite.

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Not necessarily... cyborg the word means 'cybernetic organism'.

That means the blending of man and machine - a truly mechanical 'dumb' automaton is properly referred to as 'robot', and one with a more advanced consciousness and/or emotions is referred to as 'android' (meaning 'man-like').

A Cyborg is part man and part machine... but can be a completely biological brain inside a metal skin, or a 'flesh puppet' controlled by a machine mind - or any blending of the two.

It doesn't in ANY way solely mean a machine with a 'wetware' biological brain - that's just one of many types of cyborg.

Most commonly cyborgs are desribed as mostly 'wetware' brain with electronic augmentation combined with some form of hybrid body - i.e. metal skeleton covered in flesh, or completely metal body except for 'original' face and skull, etc.

Daryl had a 'flesh puppet' on the outside, and if I remember correctly a mostly (but not purely) electronic mind - so he's 'less' of a cyborg than RoboCop or the 'Thoughtships' Mercedes Lackey described, but still one regardless.

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Hi chouse1020,

That was a great description of what Daryl is. Though I hadn't thought of the term 'flesh puppet' before, intersting! Except for one thing, I thought his brain *was* purely electronic. Later,

-Daid Chipman

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lol thanks.. yeah 'flesh puppet' is a good way to describe this pile of meat we're surrounded with - especially if a machine/hybrid mind is controlling it.

"I thought his brain *was* purely electronic"

You know it's possible. As great a film as Daryl was, they did kind of lose focus on a few aspects... of course a very important one being 'how does he stay in contact with that huge server farm in an age before cell phones, etc.?'

I do remember a scene where they were doing a brain scan on him - forgive me, I had thought they showed a hybrid brain, but it's been a while - so maybe they did show a purely electronic one. Maybe part of my thinking on that would of course be that it would be a LOT easier to do a hybrid brain than a fully 'fake' one since Daryl displayed emotions just like a real person would. Regardless of what government was working on it, compassion would be just about the LAST thing they'd program into a potential soldier - so I must have concluded to myself that he gained his emotions from the wetware part of his mind... but of course that may not have even existed.

Lol... great movie even with it's few mistakes. Where else can you see Michael McKean in a real non comedic role... I wish this had been a lot nicer on his career, since he was about as far away from Spinal Tap as possible in his role.

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Hi chouse1020,

His brain (fully-electronic or not) was shaped like normal grey-matter. It would probably have to be, in order to fit inside his head.
The contact with the mainframe was probably through satelite. (There was a dish on top of the TASCOM building, IIRC).
He developed emotions becuase he was programmed to learn about his environment. Emotions were part of living with a family, and interacting with the other kids. However, emotions were not part of the plan, so he was supposed to be destroyed. THe scientists, though, were ethical, in that they could not kill a living being, so they sent him back to live with his adoptive family. Later,

-David Chipman

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I like to think that Daryl's brain in the film is a hybrid of man-machine, specifically a full computer brain as in the film, with his pituitary gland to allow him to grow as a normal boy.
After watching the film "D.A.R.Y.L." i bought the book and read it that night.
there is alot of extra scenes in the book that are not in the film. Remember the scene where Daryl is on the plane and correcting the pilot on his calculations. Daryl says "So if I wanted to go home, i just feed in the co-ordinates and instruct the auto-pilot?" in the film the scene ends here, in the book the pilot says "That's right, program them in and send to the auto control centre, right...". Daryl's hands remained at his sides. He did not touch any dials or switches. But quite suddenly, the plane banked steeply, turning 180 degrees with a sudden surge of power, pointing back in the direction of Barkenton.
The pilot and co-pilot were stunned. They responded with practised efficiency. "Manual control."
"Manual Control, check," the co-pilot confirmed. He hit four switches. the pilot took control and eased the aircraft back onto it's flight path. they looked at each other, confused by the sudden manoeuvre, and unable to explain the sudden change in direction. "You better go back to your parents before we hit any more of these ... air pockets," the pilot said to Daryl.
Daryl smiled politely. "Thank you for showing me everything." the co-pilot ushered him out, fast. when the door was closed, he turned back to his colleague, ashen-faced. "What the hell was that?" he asked.
-- it then goes back to Daryl sitting down with his "Parents". I read this, and i was thinking how did he do it? fast-forward up to the scene where we have Dr. Stewart reporting to the pentagon generals. "On top of the learning factor, he seems to have developed an ability to interface directly with computers," Stewart said, detailing developments in the D.A.R.Y.L. project. "How does that work? the general asked. "I'm not sure yet," Stewart admitted. "It's most likely some kind of magnetic field. He isn't even conscious of his power..." it then picks up the dialogue in the film.
--- onto the scene where Daryl is at Tascom in his room playing video-games loudly. "Shall I turn them off?" Daryl asked. "Maybe down a little." the doctor smiled. Daryl didn't move. He glanced towards a small computer tuner with a brief show of concentration. Suddenly the room was silent. Dr. Stewart then asks "They want to know how you do that, as a matter of fact, so do I."

Now we know that Daryl had the ability to directly interface with any computer, this explains how he changed the balance of Andy's account on the ATM, he was using the keypad, but he was also "talking" directly to the bank's main server. He did the same when he triggered the fire alarms at the air-force base, working a keypad is one thing, as long as you know the password. Daryl didn't need passwords, he had an advantage with this ability, for as long as he wanted, he just became another "chip" in the circuits schematics of whatever he was "reading" and could access anything.

There is one main point that separates Daryl from alot of sci-fi films with a man-machine storyline. Daryl is the only one who didn't kill anyone, in the book he did defend himself from the school bully after Turtle got hurt, the closest character I can find to Daryl in terms of morals, right&wrong is a black trans-am called "K.I.T.T" -except one episode where kitt got re-programmed and tried to kill Michael Knight, but even re-programming could happen to Daryl.

I give the scientists credit for saving Daryl from the scrap yard. A human being with a computer brain, is still a human. Daryl is the prototype of a future yet to be seen.

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Hi Murph,

Man, I had forgotten about the stuff on the plane (from the book, which I have right beside me, now). It's nice to know I'm not the only person really into this story. I'm currently working on a fan-fiction about Daryl. Check it out here:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2834688/1/. I hope you enjoy it,

-David Chipman

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Hi David,

checked out your fan-fiction, well done. I always thought that later on, Daryl would "glitch" after ejecting and then landing into a lake.
Have a look at the thread i wrote up about "Deleted Scenes" on "D.A.R.Y.L." messageboard.

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