Anyone else despise Miss Millie?
I cant stand Miss Millie who Sofia ends up working as a maid for. She's a total nightmare. Whenever I see her appear in the film I get so mad at her spoilt bitch of a face.
shareI cant stand Miss Millie who Sofia ends up working as a maid for. She's a total nightmare. Whenever I see her appear in the film I get so mad at her spoilt bitch of a face.
shareDespise would be an understatement. There are only a few actors who I CONSTANTLY associate with characters they've previously played and she is one of them, along with Danny Glover. Whenever I've seen her in anything else I see Ms. Millie. Whenever I see Danny Glover, I see Albert.
The third? Thomas McCarthy who played the devious Scott Templeton on The Wire.
I will forever associate those three actors with their despicable characters.
Your post made me laugh. Dispicable is an ideal word. Dispicable indeed! I have the same Inability to see past a particular role some actors have played. Take Hugh Grant for example.Whenever I see Hugh Grant, I see the rancid Daniel Cleaver character from Bridget Jones.
When I see Richard E Grant - I see Withnail. Not so dispicable a character as the others but nevertheless, I'm unable to dis-associate the actor and that character.
For me, Miss Millie (who is always Miss Millie) will always snatch the Oscar for the most bitterly despised character to grace the big screen....
Please post anymore that spring to mind! Made me chuckle!
"Now give me some sugar" Did you see Sofia's son wipe his face after the horrible Miss Millie slobbered him with kisses? "You wanna be my maid?"-"HELL NO!"
shareMiss Millie wasn't really a bad person, just ignorant.
BTW, what happened to Sophia between that encounter and when she was released? Did they lock her up for some years just for slugging the mayor?
Also, what happened to her face?
In the scene where she was surrounded after hitting the mayor, she was smacked in the face and blinded in one eye. I imagine after all the beatings and the abuse she would have recieved her punishment would have been some time in prison and then actually being appointed as Miss Millie's maid. I think they dangled the possibility that she may see her children again like a carrot. Its so sad to see her gradually stripped of all the beaming confidence we saw her have early on in the film.
Miss Millie wasn't just ignorant. She was tremendously spoilt and very cruel indeed.
"In the scene where she was surrounded after hitting the mayor, she was smacked in the face and blinded in one eye. I imagine after all the beatings and the abuse she would have recieved her punishment would have been some time in prison and then actually being appointed as Miss Millie's maid."
Boy, and all because she cussed out the mayor's wife and slugged the mayor (after he slugged her)! What a town of bigots. Especially that guy who said the N-word to Sophia's face.
"Miss Millie wasn't just ignorant. She was tremendously spoilt and very cruel indeed."
Probably all came from her upbringing and being around her husband and his blue-blood, beaurucratic stuff-shirts who when they look at black people see slaves instead of people.
I was shuddering with rage at Miss Millie, but I think Walker was showing a caricature of whites who believe they are progressive, believe they have the best interest of minority groups at heart ("I've always done good by you coloreds!" she screams at the men), but are really just as narrow minded and bigoted as those who are openly racist.
She goes from feeling quite philanthropic to damn near screaming "Help! Rape!" when the men in Sophia's family try to help her when she's having trouble driving the car. I'm not sure of the actress' name but she did a great job depicting all of this.
"I'm not sure of the actress' name but she did a great job depicting all of this."
Dana Ivey. She's also in the Addams Family movies.
Dana Ivey was in a play at a theater I worked in back in the late '90's in NYC. I didn't like her very much. She would talk to the box office staff rather condescendingly. She's a good actress though. Her costar, Roger Rees, was totally cool.
share"I was shuddering with rage at Miss Millie, but I think Walker was showing a caricature of whites who believe they are progressive, believe they have the best interest of minority groups at heart ("I've always done good by you coloreds!" she screams at the men), but are really just as narrow minded and bigoted as those who are openly racist."
It is the same with a lot of ''black'' people too. I mean look at people like Rev. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton . They think that they are open-minded liberals but then says absurd statements about how ''black'' people cannot be racist, only ''whites''. Ridiculous.
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She wasn't "very cruel" at all, she was fond of Sophia in her way and wanted her to see her children. It was her blind ignorance that got everyone in trouble and makes people so angry. Please, that actress played a far more despecable character in "The Scarlet Letter". And some TV movie where she's an abusive foster mom. And, come to think of it, that awful old crank in "The Help" who caused poor old Constantine's hardship. Geez, Miss Millie was the nicest character she played!
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I'm afraid I don't see her that way at all. Miss Millie is a shrill and unpleasant creature who, in her lofty social position as the Mayor's wife, feeds her already dangerously inflated ego by playing Lady Bountiful around "the coloreds," but it's all *beep* and in service to her own view of herself. When she offers Sofia a job as her maid and Sofia says "Hell no," we get a glimpse of what this woman is really like, but it isn't until the Christmas visit scene where she shows all of her "true colors," you should excuse the expression.
As for the years between her arrest and her release, Celie merely says she spent "many years" in jail, then ended up as Miss Millie's maid for at least eight years. The math here is a little wonky because her youngest daughter looks at most eleven in the Christmas visit scene, but it isn't spelled out.
As to what happened to her face: after she cold-cocked the Mayor for slapping her, while she is surrounded by angry white people calling her every vile name in the book, the sheriff finally shows up, and instead of helping her as she thinks he will, he knocks her out with the butt end of his service revolver. By the time she is brought into the jailhouse, it's fairly obvious that the blow from the sheriff's gun was only the beginning. It is never said, but I concluded that she was worked over fairly severely by the crowd.
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There isn't a role I can think of where "Miss Millie" isn't the same pickle-pussed face that she plays in TCP. Might I mention her sour ol' puss in The Help? 😁
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Oh lord yes, I dont know who Sophia kept from knocking her out.
shareI agree! what a jerk! she is supposed to be so great just cuz she let Sopia visit her family for one day. BAKASHII! she should clean her own dang house! it might do her some good...and apparently all that money couldn't buy manners or common sense...what does she mean by asking her to be her maid? HELL NO!!
I don't want any more QUACKS running around in my head talking about my TOILET TRAINING!- Nuts.
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You need to understand that was over 80 years ago in the Deep South. If you know anything about American History and the opression of Blacks by Whites, you would get that. For their own safety and the safety of their children, Blacks needed to submit to Whites. The south was politically and lawfully dominated by the Klan. This was 30 years before the Civil Rights movement. Sophia's sassy mouth backfired. Miss Millie was impressed with Sophia's children and was actually doing her a favor by offering her a job. Most Black women then were homemakers or worked as domestics for Whites. Sophia's act of defiance to a White woman, let alone the mayor's wife, resulted in a beating, being taken to jail and had to be Miss Mille's maid anyway without living with her own children. It served no purpose in the long run.
shareI personally think that during that time that any favor a white person in power did to an African American was VERY outside the norm if you consider during slavery that families were ripped apart all the time without a whim and if you read the autobiography of Frederick Douglass, slaves werent even allowed to know their own ages. So for the simple fact that Miss Millie even allowed Sofia to see her family for even one day maybe showed that while she was incredibly ignorant...she wasnt essentially coldhearted...Other folks would have been much much worse.
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I guess ya'll are right...that time period was right...so maybe miss millie wasn't all bad....I guess thats just the way life was for her, and the way she was taught. :( thats sad.
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I really despised Miss Millie when she didn't even know how to drive her car. She had trouble backing up. The Black men tried to help her. She got all hysterical and was afraid for her life. Screaming, hollering and crying for them to get away from her. That was unfortunate because Miss Millie said she liked Blacks and was always going out of her way for Blacks. But, she got terrified when the Black men got near her. She refused to drive alone with one of Sophia's male relatives so Sophia can spend Christmas with her family. At that time, it was inheard of for a White woman to be alone with a Black man driving in a car. Miss Mille didn't trust him and was afraid. She wanted to do good for Blacks but not be their friend. That was the stigma and tension of the time and place between Whites and Blacks.
sharetexasturkey: Miss Millie was impressed with Sophia's children and was actually doing her a favor by offering her a job.
Amen Hersch.
I had texasturkey on ignore and un-ignored them to read the reply that was left. Now I realize my first inclination was correct.
I wont be reading anymore of their b.s.
Thank you! It is not a compliment now, nor was it one back then.
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Millie, was raised as an ignorant child. Part of her irritated my and part of me understood that she THOUGHT, at times, she was doing the right thing.
I do not 'despise' Celie. She knew Nettie would be in trouble, at Albert's house. She told her so and Nettie, herself, knew she was not safe there. She just wanted to be by her sister. They were all they had. Many of us, here, can barely understand what that's like.
I do not despise Shug. She might not had been nice, in the beginning. Maybe she really was jealous. Then she saw how wonderful Celie was. I don't blame Celie, for accepting her friendship. Celie has the best heart. Then when Shug was kind to her and sang her that song, in front of everyone...
I do NOT know what it's like to be Celie. I do know what it's like (in small spurts of my life), to have absolutely nothing. Then, when you're at the bottom and someone shows you an act of kindness (even a small one), it's the best feeling, you could ever have.
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She needed to get a life.
shareAnyone who didn't hate her wasn't paying attention.
shareWas the part where she is blinded in one eye in the book?
I'm just curious because I've only just started it, and the that would make since seeing as Alice Walker was shot and blinded in one eye...
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Millie played an oblivious impetulant child and I tho I wouldn't be able to stand Millie in real life, I truly appreciate the authenticity with which that role was played.
Millie, tho was just a continuation of the underlying theme of the movie of women being unable to accurately to percieve and adequately respond to the threats around them. Some examples:
In Millie's case she inaccurately thought Sophie should be glad to accept a subservient position, and later inaccurately saw a threat where there was none from those who where trying to help her while she bashed her car into trees,lol.
To be honest, Celie is the one I truly despise (yet feel sorry for) because she failed to see and respond to multiple threats around her. Particularly when allowing Nettie into a situation where Celie could not protect her and where Nettie was almost certain to be raped. It is only by the grace of the filmmaker that Nettie is not raped by Mister/Albert. Equally aggravating is when Celie spits in the water of Mister's father while all the while she can't recognize the threat Shug (a person who calls her ugly to her faceon first meeting her) poses to what little stability exists in her fragile family arrangement.
Then there was Sophie who was unable to accuratley percieve the threat of striking a white man in early 1900 America, despite the fact she had her little children around her that she needed to protect.
And let's not forget Squeak who attempts to take on the pre-jail slugger Sophie and ends up paying the price of a thundering right hook.
Anybody else see the pattern. I guess all's well that ends well since everybody ends up in church happy and singing. yeah right.
Its the kind of think I always find interesting, because just like Millie thought she was being good intentioned when in reality she was being insulting; I think its interesting how a movie can on the surface seem to have a positive message of survival, but when closely examined might have some underlying themes which are not so positive.
I know that this thread hasn't been worked on in a while.
But I can't disagree more with you. My strongest reaction is to despising Celie. First of all, her sister was either sure to be raped, and soon, by their father, and end up in exactly the same position as Celie, or leave. She didn't ask Nettie to come stay with her, Nettie showed up, nor did she try to manipulate her into staying when she left. And Nettie knew what she was getting herself into. If you're going to hate Celie, hate Nettie to. Might as well be victim blaming the both of them while you're at it. What she liked and saw in Shug was a woman who garnered the respect of Mister, a woman who he didn't beat and who enjoyed sex with him. And in a twisted way, she looked up to that. Because in the mind of a person being abused, she wanted to be what pleased Mister for him not to hurt her. Shug was that example. Shug was not a threat to Celie, she was a relief, she loved her and taught her confidence, was the one person who cared or asked, while also being the distraction to cause Mister not to beat Celie. She didn't threaten any stability in a "fragile family arrangement", because there was no stability in that arrangement to begin with. She didn't cause the unstable environment, that chaos was was caused by Mister, it started in him. In no way can either Celie or Shug be responsible for that situation. To suggest that Celie have not befriended Shug, another victim in her own way, and not have had that support, is absolutely twisted.
As far as Sofie, I am one of those people that believes that if I have to be killed by my abuser to make the news for sexism or racism to be noticed in my country and start change, so be it. That is a small price to pay for standing up for myself. Perceiving that as a threat and shrinking away from that responsibility to myself, and allowing the abuse of my entire demographic to continue is irresponsible. I can't hate her for being strong.
You talk about Millie as if she's done the least bad in this movie. Which says a lot about you. It's no wonder that blacks grew to hate the whites, after what's been done. That's what was most apparent to me while watching this. You don't see the black people in this movie being even half as racist as Millie, not to say that it doesn't exist. The boys all tried to jump on Millie's car and help her despite knowing her hatred for them, while she did the opposite and gave into fear. She might have been progressive for the time, but I don't really care how someone is raised. No matter what age you were raised in, when you see abuse of another human being, you feel that it's wrong. People lie to themselves in all kinds of ways to avoid acting and admitting that it's wrong when they see it. I hold other people to the same standards I hold myself, and I've been in some situations. You are responsible for your actions. You are responsible to reacting to your gut when you see something happening. Hatred and racism and sexism are NOT NATURAL STATES. They are not born with you, you are taught them. You're not responsible for your parent's actions, but you sure as hell are responsible for your own. That's the only way to change, and the way that the world has changed even as much as it has, is realizing that and changing YOURSELF, correcting and relearning what you were taught. Which is why I despise Millie, what she represents, a person failing to be strong in that way. An entire race of people doing that for decades. I hate her weakness.
Millie remains racist to the end, Celie leaves her abuser and lives BETTER for it, with the lesson of strength under her belt. So please tell me more about how you dislike Celie more than Millie.
My only hope is that the country can continue healing and both sides can come to the center and realize that fear isn't the natural reaction to everyone in the opposite race. And that people will start seeing unhealthy relationships for what they are.
I can't stand her either (the character, not the actress). To me, though, Miss Millie is also another tragic character. She's not a grown woman, she's a total child, kept in some infantile state by a misogynist culture around her. She sees it as privilege because that's all she knows, but it's also a prison.
She's not "acting" terrified when those guys try to help her get out of reverse gear. She really is fully terrified and bewildered. She's THAT ignorant of the world outside of what she's been "allowed" to know.
I've always seen Sophia's kindness to her as coming from an unstated understanding of this that Sophia comes to after seeing it up close for all of those years. It would make sense, being the feminist that she was, that Sophia would see clear through just HOW crippled and beaten down Miss Millie had become through the very same system of patriarchy.
good movie,but her character is the reason it's hard to watch sometimes.
shareMiss Millie was a character that was meant to be disliked, although what "evil" she did was not even out of "evil" intentions... just plain ignorance. Which may or may not be worse.
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