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Bender is so horrible towards Claire!


Just rewatched it and I hate him so much for the way he treats Claire, who is pretty much harmless. I think maybe because I've been in that position so many times where a man just bothers you relentlessly and is really creepy :/ shame because he's funny in parts of the film (like lots of real life creepy men too, I suppose. realistic characters)

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My God, who does he think he is!

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Bollocks - She is SEVERELY judgemental and in doing so she bullies all those she judges as beneath her - People like Brian, who are absolute geniuses. Some kids never get over that kind of treatment, when their peers perpetually put them down and walk all over them. Bender was just giving her a taste of her own medicine.

Worse still, she mainly does it at the behest of her own friends, further perpetuating the cycle.
Bender was very kindly forcing her to examine herself and buck her ideas up - Very kindly by using words, as there would be plenty of other people who'd use other means to put her in her place if she continued like that later on in life!!!!!

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remember when she was trying to get the group over to her side about the pressure that friends can put on you? i'd rather have friend pressure than parental pressure. you cam get away from your friends, you can't get away from your parents.


even andy was like: WTF?


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Parents don't go round telling everyone bad things about you that will haunt you for the entirety of your school life and even outside of it. Peer pressure can turn nasty.

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not all parents. some do. back then there wasn't really any such thing as child abuse, it was considered discipline.

so you are willing to bow down to these 'friends' of yours? wow. how about some inner strength! don't bring the year 2016 into this bitch.



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I don't think you quite read that post properly... or don't understand what peer pressure is.

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or maybe I experienced a different kind of pressure. yeah, peer pressure sucked but you are able to chose your friends/who you hang out with. you can't do that with parents, especially in the 80's.

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Peer pressure is not 'friend pressure' and such people generally were no friends of mine...

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and you have a better time standing up to friends than you do bullies who you are in class with.

peers do not mean friends, it means to belong in a same age group or social group as someone else.

and it is hard to stand up to people who just. won't. leave. you. alone. especially when you are just there and you did nothing to them to begin with.

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That is what I've been pointing out to you throughout. Friends may bd peers and vice versa, but the two are not wholly synonymous.
Parents do not habitually pressure their children in the same way, or for the same reasons peers do either. Parents generally do not have a vested interest in making you suffer.

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Friends may bd peers and vice versa, but the two are not wholly synonymous.


did I EVER say they were???

and yeah, they do pressure their kids. we actually had a parent of a habitually unruly child tell his child to JUMP ON A CAR. and he did.

and you'd be surprised as to how many children are suffering due to their parents neglect or bizarre behavior. they may not be CONSCIOUSLY interested in making their kids suffering, but it doesn't negate the suffering.

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did I EVER say they were???

You strongly implied it by your lack of differentiation.

and yeah, they do pressure their kids.

OH REALLY???!!!
Cor, never have thunk it... Do you actually read the complete sentences written down, or just cherry pick whatever serves your imagined agenda?

we actually had a parent of a habitually unruly child tell his child to JUMP ON A CAR. and he did.

Yeah, because that's what every peer normally does...

and you'd be surprised as to how many children are suffering due to their parents neglect or bizarre behavior.

Neglect is not peer pressure.
Bizzare behaviour is not peer pressure.

they may not be CONSCIOUSLY interested in making their kids suffering, but it doesn't negate the suffering.

But it DOES negate your concept of parental pressure having anything to do with peer pressure.

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Bender is harsh on her, but the majority of the time he is simply calling her out on her own BS. With the one exception, when he is under the table hiding from the principle, I do not think he was horrible to her.

Claire was the typical rich popular girl in high school, we all know someone who was just like her. She felt entitled, looked down at people, thought she was much better looking than she really was.

Bender made her realize that she is really no different from anyone else there that day. I thought it was great when he screamed that she was a b--ch when she said come Monday they are not going to be friends.

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Bender was and still is an abuser. That was the point.

The fact that you don't get it, and you still view Claire as some unreachable girl to hate speaks volumes about your own maturity level.

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Some of the things he says to her are kind of disturbing in this day and age, but then again, it's nothing that a guy like Bender wouldn't have realistically said to a girl like Claire.

I've seen guys say and do worse to girls sadly.

Claire is a snob who talks sht about people. I agree that Bender was trying to give her a taste of her own medicine, but at the same time he's also attracted to her. So pushing her buttons and trying to get underneath her skin is how he interacts with her.

Bender comes into the detention with the idea that everyone in the room thinks they are better than he is, so everything he says and does to them is his own way of bringing them down a notch. I would imagine that it's nothing worse than what people have said to him all of his life.

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I think some people idealize Bender too much. His character is brash, mouthy and funny but he's just as much a confused kid as the rest. The short-lived "fight" with Andrew and his fear of Vernon one-on-one shows how much his cocky tough guy exterior is just an act.

Claire is a snob who talks sht about people


For much of the first half of the film Bender addresses Brian with epithets like "dweeb" the same way the popular kids would. And Claire is right that Bender is a hypocrite when he acts outraged at her honest statement about what Monday would be like at school. Bender would be just as uncomfortable being seen by his friends hanging out or talking with Andrew "the jock" or Brian "the nerd". If seen with Claire, he probably would boast to his friends about how he was getting action from "the princess." For all his alleged authenticity, Bender cares just as much as the rest as protecting the image and persona he's carved out for himself as a student at the school.

Bender comes into the detention with the idea that everyone in the room thinks they are better than he is


But he also deliberately plays a part because he loves the attention. The really "bad" kids in high school don't faithfully show up for detention, especially on a Saturday. Hell, most of the really rough ones don't even regularly show up to school and drop out as soon as they turn 16.



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Bender got his dick knocked in the dirt courtesy of Mr. Vernon - and rightly so!

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Finally. Someone who understands this movie. Thank you.

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He was "negging" her, and it worked, unfortunately.

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Though I get he comes from a rough place, a "few" of the things he said and did to her were undeniably inexcusable. But as others have said, I wouldn't deny the notion that he gave her some constructive criticism and consequently made her rethink several things about her; and let's be fair, Claire shows a slight interest in Bender's bad boy ways throughout the movie. But, yeah, while both had their problems and all, ultimately Bender was the one who constantly wanted to get a rise out of Claire when she, as snobby as she was, just wanted to be left alone. Granted, she could have said nothing when Andrew told Bender who he thought he was to shame others, so... whatever.

Anyway, I'm not against Bender. Apart from naturally being a pain in the ass, he clearly had a thing for Claire and I suppose he had his own way of showing it. Sure, he may very well be nothing but a punk who isn't nearly as tough as he wants everyone to believe (evidently all the others weren't what they seemed either), but I can still empathize with his character given his home life had a negative impact on him. Besides, he does have his many funny moments and is oddly the life of the party.

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Hey, I'm not fond of snobby, popular, rich girls either, but he was a complete jerk to her. She was just being honest when she said they probably wouldn't be friends and she was right he would also be embarrassed to be seen with any of them.

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COMPLETE misreading of this movie!

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