Folks, I usually don't start a thread like this, but we saw TBC last night and barely were able to sit through it. 12 years in the making and nobody had the thought, hey, this is really pathetic?
The plot and the characters felt like one cliche after another....and the SCRIPT????????? Disney couldn't afford a decent screenwriter? This is one of the worst scripts I have ever heard in my entire life...boring, banal, and laughably bad. I love animation and am a huge fan of Disney...but we were appalled at how bad this was. After it was over I actually felt hostile and depressed that we had wasted 80 minutes watching it. Please, if you love it,I respect your opinion, so forgive me and try to refrain from calling me names...but if anyone out there agrees, feel free to chime in. Yikes.
Peace out. "De gustibus non disputandum est." (Latin) There is no disputing taste.
The only thing I don't understand is that so many people find this movie terrifying and Disneys darkest film. Now I do agree that the part Spoilers** When Gurgi sacrifices his life is sad and depressing but in my opinion this movie is not that bad compared to other films (Hunchback of Notre Dame).
I liked this movie alot and I LOVE The Hunchback of Notre Dame. The only thing that sucked about the latter film is the inclusion of the 3 stupid Gargoyle characters. If they only got rid of that Disney filler, the movie would otherwise be a great piece of animation and story. Also if they really killed off Esmeralda it would get rid of some of the sugariness of the film.
As a child I thought it was ok. I haven't seen it for a while, so I couldn't comment on an adult reaction, but I think it would satisfy the TARGET audience.
First and foremost I like the movie the black cauldron, when it came to video for the first time I got it like 2 weeks early. I admit it is one of the darker films and it does have its moments from time to time where it seems to linger on too long. I was 18 when I saw this film the first time, I am now going to be 29 and I must say I think the beginning is boring, and it does take the film a little bit to pace up, however as Mr.Alexander said himself, this adaption is not his story, its not bad, but its not his. So you need to take it for what its worth, a Disney film ahead of its time and for some audience not all, just like every film out there. My opinion I like this film, it is the works of than the new animators first film on their own without the older men helping them. The fox and the hound was planned out and like a dot to dot for them to do, this was original for them.
The one thing I don't like(which is heavily prevalent throughout the movie) is how little it actually holds true to the original book(series). On it's own merits, it's quite a good film. But it's Just Another Disney Redo in terms of source loyalty. For some reason, they're ~always~ wildly inaccurate to the original source they take from, in every single movie they release that was based on something else(meaning damn near all of them).
*Potential spoilers, both for movie and book*
Fflewddur should have been a tall, thin, slightly spike-haired, blond, young-to-middle-aged man. Eilonwy should have been a bit more of a spit-fire. The Horned King should not have been the ultimate antagonist. And Gurgi, despite what this film tells you, did not sacrifice himself to destroy the cauldron. He was 'going' to, yes, but was stopped as another man did so in an act of redemption.
*end spoilers*
All that said, still quite a good film in its own right.
Those changes you listed are all either really small, insignificant changes or completely understandable/necessary. No book will every completely translate to a movie. They are two very different mediums and what works in a book wont always work in a movie due to time restrictions, visual imagery and at times budget/FX limitations. Even something as simple as a description of a character 'tall, thin, slightly spike-haired, blond, young-to-middle-aged man' can at times need to be changed to something different for visual dynamics.
The Horned King had to be the only antagonist, it would have been silly to do anything else. It's one movie, a kids movie at that, so there needs to only be one overall plot. Anything else would make it cluttered and convoluted, especially for a kids film, with the limited time allotted. If they were going to make another movie or had more time maybe they could have done more but you don't usually have that luxury with a film.
Eilonwy being more of a spit fire, that's negligible and a nitpick.
Gurgi sacrificing himself I can understand too. Again, they only have so much time to tell a story in a movie format and moving the sacrifice to a character they are able to spend more time on gives the act deeper meaning. In a book you are better able to expand and explore more characters than you are in a film.
Over all, the changes are pretty normal for how they had to translate from book to film. I wouldn't call it source disloyalty at all and any author who agrees to let their book be made into a movie understands there are going to be changes and sacrifices from the original material. It seems to me the changes are minimal and only done when absolutely necessary.
Um, sorry but no. The changes were not nitpicky; those listed were small examples of a complete character and plot overhaul, as anyone who has read the books will tell you. While it is true that some changes had to be made (you can't make one film encompassing five books that traverse a time period of five to eight years, after all), what Disney finally came up with bears almost NO resemblance to its source material. About the only thing that stuck were the characters' names; the character personalities and development were completely butchered and the deep themes of the novels are nowhere to be found, replaced by flimsy sword-and-sorcery cliches.
This was a film project in which animation bit off more than it could chew, unfortunately. It was also badly timed, with all kinds of internal chaos going in within the Disney company, including a change of leadership. Meanwhile the movie was in production so long and went so overbudget that it was finally rushed out as a cobbled-together mess. Sadly, I agree with the original poster. Although it is groundbreaking in terms of animation and visuals, as an adaptation of a marvelous children's book, this film is an abomination.
Disney still owns all film rights to the property, more's the pity. I do wish they would dump them so somebody else could have a go with a live-action version and do them right.
I personally thought the film was a decent yet flawed one, the film I feel suffered from underdevelopment in both the plot and characters due to the film's rather short runtime. The film was an ambitious one with some excellent dark visuals and IMO was better then anything Disney produced during the 70's or 2000's.
there is tons of worst scripts out there, and i wouldent call it pathectic. I like it ^^, i just watched it 20 minutes ago for the first time in along time, and i still enjoyed it, i know i'll be watching it again some time in the future, and maybe one day my kids will watch it too.