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What did you rate ''The Black Cauldron'' (1985)?


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I rated this tedious Disney animated film 6/10, which may be overgenerous; but it has its moments. All the scary stuff works really well. And though I didn't particularly care for the characters, even they managed to draw out my sympathy at odd moments.

Gurgi, the dog-like thief and coward, however, ranks among the least appealing Disney characters ever. Leave him in the cauldron!

The badly-plotted story is the worst thing. The best is Elmer Bernstein's spooky music.

What did you rate the film? What do you think of it?


...Justin Glory be, Delbert, you should eat! You're a count, for God's sake!

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8.5/10 for me. I really like this movie a great deal and wish it got more recognition from Disney.

"There is no terror in the bang, only in the anticipation of it." -Alfred Hitchcock

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I think The Black Cauldron would be more appreciated today than it was originally. The PG rating probably turned off a lot of audiences—even though today's audiences would be perfectly accepting of it.

What are some of your other favorite Disney features, and what have you rated them?


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There's no doubt that the PG rating most likely turned off a lot of audiences.

Some of my other Disney features (ones I can think of off the top of my head):

Sleeping Beauty 10/10 (my #1 favorite)
Lady and the Tramp 10/10
Cinderella 10/10
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 9.5/10
Pinocchio 8/10
Fantasia 9/10
Peter Pan 7.5/10
Dumbo 10/10
Alice In Wonderland 7/10
The Rescuers 9/10
The Fox and the Hound 8/10
The Jungle Book 8/10
The Great Mouse Detective 8.5/10
The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad 10/10

There are many more, but that's all I could think of right now lol. What about you?


"There is no terror in the bang, only in the anticipation of it." -Alfred Hitchcock

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Here are some of my ratings:

Pinocchio (1940) 7.7/10 (19175 votes) (my vote 10/10)
Dumbo (1941) 7.4/10 (16300 votes) (my vote 10/10)
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) 7.8/10 (34766 votes) (my vote 10/10)
Bambi (1942) 7.5/10 (23079 votes) (my vote 9/10)
Fantasia (1940) 7.8/10 (28273 votes) (my vote 9/10)
The Three Caballeros (1944) 6.6/10 (2012 votes) (my vote 8/10)
Cinderella (1950) 7.4/10 (18259 votes) (my vote 8/10)
The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad (1949) 7.3/10 (2034 votes) (my vote 8/10)
Peter Pan (1953) 7.3/10 (14414 votes) (my vote 8/10)
Sleeping Beauty (1959) 7.4/10 (18559 votes) (my vote 8/10)
One Hundred and One Dalmatians (1961) 7.2/10 (16253 votes) (my vote 8/10)
The Jungle Book (1967) 7.6/10 (24255 votes) (my vote 7/10)
Lady and the Tramp (1955) 7.4/10 (15736 votes) (my vote 7/10)
Alice in Wonderland (1951) 7.4/10 (16431 votes) (my vote 7/10)
The Sword in the Stone (1963) 7.0/10 (9119 votes) (my vote 6/10)


...Justin Glory be, Delbert, you should eat! You're a count, for God's sake!

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Some others I had left off too that you had mentioned which i can't believe I forgot! lol:

Bambi 10/10
One Hundred and One Dalmations 8/10
The Sword in the Stone 7/10

So which Disney animated feature do you consider your favorite?


"There is no terror in the bang, only in the anticipation of it." -Alfred Hitchcock

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Dumbo. That movie is an endless pleasure, and the nightmare sequence with the pink elephants is one of my favorite scenes in any movie.


...Justin Glory be, Delbert, you should eat! You're a count, for God's sake!

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It's one of my all time favorites as well. The story is so simple yet very touching. Love it!

"There is no terror in the bang, only in the anticipation of it." -Alfred Hitchcock

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6. The heroes were either underdeveloped (like the Gurgi) or weren't likable (like Taran). The storyline was a complete mess as well. But it had some good moments, mostly when it went into its dark parts. The score was good, and the Horned King was a solid villain.

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10.

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7/10.

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7/10 for me.

It's far from the worst Disney animated film ("Chicken Little" and "Home On The Range" take that cake and eat it too), and yet Disney treats it as though it's the black sheep of the Disney canon, which it certainly doesn't deserve to be. The film has some great atmosphere, a threatening and chillingly voiced villain in the Horned King (kudos to John Hurt), and a fantastic score by Elmer Bernstein which make up for the film's flaws. The problems lie with the film's flimsy script (Taran's lines grate the most, and he's the one we're supposed to be rooting for) and its underdeveloped characters. Taran is all talk and no show (his sword does all of the work for him), and in the end he accepts his place in life as a pig-keeper in spite of all the adventures he's been through. I know he's humbled by his experience, but yet he gives up on his dream so easily after trading the cauldron for Gurgi that he comes off as weak in the process. Eilonwy is a princess and yet outside of a quick mention of her father we never see or hear about her kingdom again. Her royal upbringing probably comes out the most when she stands up for herself when Taran picks on her, and calls him out on his ego. There's a strong female character trying to come out, but sadly she remains stuck as the damsel in distress for long stretches of the film. Fflewddur Flamm makes for some great comic relief with his enchanted harp, and Nigel Hawthorne gives some very funny line deliveries throughout. I know everyone likes to hate on Gurgi, but honestly he never got on my nerves. He's a coward and he knows it and wears it like a badge of honor. He's actually the only character in the film who goes through an arc and becomes a hero; sacrificing himself for the greater good in order to save his friends. His voice isn't the best but it suits the character, and I'll take it over other annoyingly voiced comic relief any day (Two words: Jar Jar...ugh).

However, what really bothers me about the film, and yet keeps me coming back for more is the wasted potential. The film introduces a lot of interesting ideas, but never ends up pursuing them (What's the history between Dallbin and the Horned King? What exactly is Eilowny's glowing bauble, and where does it keep going to for long stretches of the film? What happened to the Old King who used to own the Horned King's castle, and why did the Horned King leave his enchanted sword at his tomb? Did the people who were turned into frogs by the Witches of Morva ever return to their mortal state?). These questions definitely make me interested in reading the "Prydain" novels by Lloyd Alexander, and with Disney being on this recent kick of reimagining their animated films into live-action, I think "The Black Cauldron" would make a great live-action fantasy adaptation if done right. Overall, when I watch the film I can see the potential it had for greatness, and because of that I appreciate the film far more for what it tried to be rather than for what it ended up being.

"Never trust the future, never miss the past. If you live for the shining moment, the moment may just last."

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I doubt they'll remake it since it flopped at the box office.

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8/10. An unusual film for Disney but a very good one none the less. I actually like it more than most of the more popular Disney's of the 90's.

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I gave Black Cauldron 7/10 and I dont usually give very high IMDB scores, I think my average is at 5,5 or something (out of 1700 movies).

Black Cauldron has good sides, great animation, the witches are good, the fairies are cool, and the horned king is the best villain (and his little goblin is good too). The problems of this film.

1. Poor Pacing.
2. Mediocre script.
3. Too dark for the youngest children, and too childish for the somewhat older (what with the pig and all). The great mouse detective Basil released the following year had the same problems.
4. Confusing names, lackluster plot and too much dialogue.



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I don't consider it 1 of my best Disney Movies and I'd give it 2/10.

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rnmboon: 8/10. An unusual film for Disney but a very good one none the less. I actually like it more than most of the more popular Disney's of the 90's.


That's my score as well and my thought process around the film. Its an interesting anomaly and while it wouldn't go into my top 10 disney films list it would definitely be on my top 20. I dunno there's something about this film despite its awkwardness that just resonates with me for some reason. I often wondered if this was made during the Disney Renaissance with the people that was involved in this era what would it like then.

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