The Murder
I would like to get people's opinions on this particular case. What do you feel through seeign the film, reading any of the books do you get out of who is guilty, innocent?
shareI would like to get people's opinions on this particular case. What do you feel through seeign the film, reading any of the books do you get out of who is guilty, innocent?
shareGo to http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/doctors/physician_6.html?sect=3
and then go to http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/jmacdonald/1.html?sect=1
after you read those make up your own mind about what you think happened. Personally I think McDonald is innocent. He was a good man, a good soldier, and a good doctor. A lot of evidence is left out and the piece of garbage who wrote the book and the movie, Fatal Vision, should have all the money that he made from these fictional interpretations taken away and given to McDonald.
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6300141012/ref=pd_sxp_elt_l1/102-4826839-7215334
i'm not sure about the 2 tape thing though.
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Re the crimelibrary article by one Mr. Boston: I read the article and was amazed by the seeming incompetence of the investigators and prosecutors, and wondered how in the world McDonald could still be in prison. I was a bit put off though as the article became more and more biased toward his innocence and started sounding less like journalism and more like a rant. Then I read the *facts* of the case. The crimelibrary article is an utter load of garbage. Jeffrey McDonald is most definitely guilty as charged.
sharethe crime library article is belived to be written by john bost I believe it was one of his lawyers. If you go to the blog posts of macdonald at that site it was discussed by many people who believe it is this man.your right the facts do speak for themselves. I always tell everyone to go to www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com because the lady that runs the site has all the evidence for everyone to see.I gave macdonald the benefit of the doubt and read his book some things did'nt add up so I looked up the evidence on the website and now I am a firm believer he is 100% guilty!
shareGuilty as sin. No question.
shareThe case of Dr. Jeffrey MacDonald is indeed a very high profile case even after all of these years. It today is used in law schools, criminals justice schools, regular schools at times and the CID use this case to teach new agents how to process a crime scene.
From the moment the investigators enter any crime scene, things happened. They themselves are taking in hairs, fibers, ashes, etc., that are attached to their clothing/shoes and each time they leave and return, the same thing occurs.
Fatal Vision was and still remains the most true accounting of the crime story. Without a doubt there were many mistakes made in this this from the beginning. People are human and will always made them. But take into consideration of what those investigators walked into that morning. Even the most seasoned investigator would not be prepared to see murdered victims that had been brutalized and mutilated the way these were.
This case brings out much passion in people and sooner or later each and everyone of us come down on one side or the other. But think about it. How do we come to the conclusion we do? We do it from the books we read, the newspapers, the magazine article, the TV programs and the interviews given by MacDonald which does not provide the true picture of this case or any other case for that matter.
I have followed this case since its inception and I attended the trial in 1979. I listened to all the testimony and evidence presented in that court room. I listen to the witnesses and I studied MacDonald and his actions and behavior in the court room.
I applied for and received all the documents relating to this case from the FOIA. (Freedom of Information Act.) There are many unanswered questions in this case that may at this late date never be answered. But if you study the documents and listen carefully to all the statements made by MacDonald, you begin to see a pattern.
I too have a written a book about this case which is due to be released in the next few weeks. I have also set up a website with information about the case. On the website is the original documents, mental evaluations done on him and much more. I invite all who are interested to visit my website and read for yourself. It makes no difference if you believe him guilty or innocent. You can read and judge and then made your decision as to what actually happened that fateful morning when a pregnant woman and her two daughters were murdered.
My website is located at www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com
Jeff MacDonald is guilty. Or, Jeff MacDonald is innocent.
Whatever happened, however, happened thirty-five years ago, and it was either MacDonald who killed his family, or it wasn't.
Like creationism, the JFK assassination consipiracy, or Davy Crockett surrendering at the Alamo, whether the entire world believes that he did commit the murders or the entire world believes that he didn't commit them makes no difference as to how the events actually happened.
And just like creationism or the JFK conspiracy, anyone who wants to come up with reasons to support their beliefs - or disbeliefs - is going to be able to come up with hundreds or reasons why MacDonald either did or did not commit the murders.
I submit that DNA testing is the only way to determine for certain MacDonald's guilt or innocence. DNA testing would solve the case for two reasons: 1) It is a virtually foolproof science, and 2) unlike an attorney, a judge, or a jury, DNA testing simply reports; it doesn't give a rat's behind whether he's guilty or not.
Does anyone know why the testing still has not been done? I heard it was supposed to be complete in 2002.
excellent website christina! you have all the information, I go there all the time whenever I question something, and you have all the anserws!
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He's guilty.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog
i think he is guilty....just his reaction so shortly after the crimes committed..if the man had truly been innocent,,he would have had survivor's guilt of some kind...but he just went out and about like weeks after the crime, seeing women, and saying off the wall things...he talked too much. I think he is paying the price and should stay where he is. I think he acted in the heat of anger..and that his conviction was correct, 2nd degree for the first two crimes and 1st degree for the baby's murder,,that one he thought through....very sad and very creepy...jojo
shareI went from not sure, to innocent to guilty over a period of about 25 years studying this case. What convinced me as a group of people who hung around with Jeff's brother Jay, known as the "Fire Island Four." Jeff had met these people in a bar six months prior to the killings. Within that group, the clothes, mannerisms, and expressions, were exactly identical to the alleged "intruders." on the murder night.
The woman in the group even was known to wear a wig, had long stringy blond hair, and dark black clothing. The problem was that on the night of the murders, the Fire Island Four were proven to have an air-tight alibi, all were in New York at the time. Because neither prosecution nor defense could incorporate them into the case, they were not brought up at trial. At least not that I can recall. I do believe that there was some discussion over the FIF at the Article 32 Hearing.
This group stayed at Jay Macdonald's house, and it was shown that Jeff met them at the time when he was in New York visiting his brother. In December 1970, he and his defense team tried to investigate the FIF when they learned they were in New York at the time of the murders, but they could not incorporate them into their story. The next best thing was the team of people so well known to those involved with the case. Helena Stockley, Greg Mitchell, and their friends.
The biggest problem is going back to that overly neat living room where the hippie cult supposedly attacked Jeff. If you notice from the pictures in Fatal Vision and verified through other documents on the case, the overturned coffee table only has about 4-5 feet of distance (if that) from the couch. I cannot believe that four people could fit in that little space, in a darkened room and kill, let alone fight with weapons. The "Fighting Area" is too small.
And isn't it bizarre that Helena is the only one in the group who says ANYTHING? If she were carrying a candle, how and where did she light it? We know that it was raining outside at the time, or at least their had been a recent rain. How did Helena and her group of friends know that Jeff would be sleeping on the couch in a darkened room, high on drugs without disturbing anything?
And an issue that no one has raised, well prosecutor Jim Blackburn asked, "If Macdonald's story was true, he would be dead from the fight." I would say, maybe not dead, but certainly far more seriously injured than he was. Isn't is strange that these hippie intruders who were so high on drugs and doing this killing and obviously fighting with Jeff and the family if we are to believe his story, that NONE of the intruders was killed in this life and death struggle? They aren't even hurt at all! Fatal Justice talks about eye witness accounts of seeing people at a Dunkin Doughnuts with bloody hands and clothes. But the time frame is too discombobulated for credibility. Why would you stop at a Dunkin Doughnuts after killing three people and an unborn fetus? Any killer would want to get out of town!
I honestly believe that the fight started in the Master Bedroom. The oldest daughter Kim had wet the bed, and Macdonald and Colette had a fight. But I think that what set him off was that she hit him or punched him and that is where he lost it. I think Kim tried to help her mother and Jeff in a fit of rage took the club, intended to smash Collete with it and hit Kim so badly that Jeff knew that if he did not kill them, his medical reputation would be shattered.
He cries hysterically for several minutes knowing that he can't go back and make it right. He is forced to murder Colette and Kim. Kristen wakes up and Macdonald has no choice in his mind but to kill her because she would be old enough to be a witness against him at trial.
He contemplates leaving. (Remember the suitcase in the Master Bedroom?) but knows that would be an admission of guilt. Stages the scene in the living room, turns over the coffee table, lies down on the floor to check his own wounds, than spends about 40 minutes to a hour writing "Pig" on the headboard in the Master Bedroom, goes back to overkill the family using each weapon found at the crime scene (club, knife, and icepick) Goes into the living room, remembers the Manson Killings by reading Esquire Magazine and ties that into the Fire Island Four that he met six months ago. (Manson Murder=4 people in the story.) He knows about Helena Stockley and her friends from seeing them around town or on the base, wipes his glasses with a small smear of blood on them and the Esquire magazine, rehearses his story as best he can. Goes into the bathroom to inflict a puncture wound of his lung, and then calls the Operator for help, breathing heavily because of the lung wound and nervous over what he has done. Than he goes and lays by Collete, exposing her breast. ("like with a girlfriend," as the MP's noted) to fool the authorities and to try to make his story look legit.
However, there are too many gaping holes in his version of events, when weighted against the physical elements of the crime scene for his version to be believable. Jeff Macdonald based on these reasons is a guilty man.
Joe
It's true, he did it. How very heartbreaking.
Joe
All of Jeff's wounds could have been self-inflicted, not so with his family. That and the story about four, five or more intruders in his house (who left no evidence) sounds totally ridiculous. His initial story of the attack was fishy and nothing since has made it smell any better. Intruders intent on kiiling people, not stealing anything, not bringing their own weapons and leaving a live witness doesn't sound logical. There is too much evidence pointing to Jeff and not enough pointing to the "intruders." A jury found MacDonald guilty after listening to all of the evidence. I agree with the jury.
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