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Which character(s) should've gotten more/less screen time?


As with any cartoon based on a toy line, everything is subservient to pushing the line at retail. That obviously had an effect on which characters were featured and how often. When the show launched, Flint and Lady Jaye had replaced Duke and Scarlett as the main characters, so they're prominently featured in a majority of the episodes. And writer Ron Friedman clearly took a liking to Shipwreck and turned him into a major character.

Economics aside, which character(s) would you have like to have seen more often? Which would you like to have seen less of?

Personally speaking I would like to have seen the Stormshadow/Snake Eyes relationship explored. In the cartoon they replaced Snake Eyes with Spirit as Stormshadow's chief (No pun intended I swear!) rival. I can understand why, considering Snake Eyes can't talk, but there are ways around that.

As far as less; Maybe Shipwreck. I like him, but he's better in small doses IMO.




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I think that Duke should have received a little more focus seeing as he was the leader of the Joes. In the original mini-series, he was the main character, but after The Revenge of the Cobra, he pratically disappeared except for cameos and the odd episode here and there. I can understand wanting to focus on the newer characters so as to market their toys, but they shouldn't have left the leader in the background like that.

Stalker is another guy who should have received more focus. In the original mini-series, he stands alongside of Duke and Scarlett in the intro as though he was one of the top three characters. Yet, I can only remember a few scenes that he was in and he practically disappeared afterward. It's like they decided that, once they had Roadblock, they had an individual with actual characterization and didn't need Stalker anymore.

As for the ones which I would have liked to have seen less, I have no problem with Shipwreck getting a couple of focus episodes, but they were all crammed together in such a short span of time near the end of the first season. It felt like he was the lead in five of the last ten episodes.

On the Cobra side of things, I really would have minimized the Crimson Twins' screen time. Their gimmick of completing each other's lines is really, really annoying. I also think that Firefly could have used a few more appearances. In his few brief appearances, he was made to look like a highly capable individual because getting handled with ease by Crossroads in the final episode.

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Yeah the characters that made up the '82-'83 waves got the shaft. They got starring roles in the first mini-series, but by the time the second mini and then the daily series kicked-off they'd started to be phased out of the line. At least those original Joes got a good run in the comic book series, which debuted right about the same time as the figures.


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Less screen time: Serpentor, Serpentor, Serpentor.
Less screen time: Lifeline (2nd season)

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Thankfully Serpentor came in kind of late in the game, but once he was introduced his appearances were all too frequent.

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I wouldn't mind Serpentor getting screen time if it wasn't for the overuse of that bland catchphrase of his.

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Yeah it took on the feeling of the wacky sitcom neighbor catchphrase--"Did I do that?" "Ehhhhhh!" "This, I command!".

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Actually Hawk was the original leader of the Joes. He kind of got shafted. By the time the first cartoon mini-series came out, they replaced him with Duke.

Hawk was originally a Colonel and the field commander of the Joes. In the original Hasbro toy line he came with the Mobile Missile System. The comics started a couple years before the cartoon and Hawk was the established leader.

If memory serves, Duke was a First Seagent? an enlisted man...so I'm not sure how he could lead the Joes...of course formal military rank didn't seem to come into play in the GI Joe series.

Later in the TV series, Hawk came back as General Hawk with Duke and Flynt as the two field commanders. He was portrayed as sort of an old veteran war horse. But as Colonel Hawk the field commander of the Joes he was a dynamic leader...which we never got to see in the TV series.

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If memory serves, Duke was a First Seagent? an enlisted man...so I'm not sure how he could lead the Joes...of course formal military rank didn't seem to come into play in the GI Joe series.


Yeah, I always got the sense that the ranks of the various characters were from their time in the various branches of the armed services and didn't correspond to their actual ranking within the hierarchy of G.I. Joe. Thus Lt. Falcon takes orders from Sgts like Duke and Slaughter in G.I. Joe: The Movie.


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I think they used Dr. Mindbender, Lifeline, Wet Suit and Leatherneck too much at the end. I would have liked to have seen more of Stalker, Spirit, Duke(at the end) and maybe Copperhead simply cuz I had the toy and he looked like he was a bit of a powerhouse.

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I always hated that the original characters like Stalker got such little time in the series because by the time it got rolling in 1985, they had been phased out of the line and replaced by new figures/characters.

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I forgot about Firefly, Major Bludd and Storm Shadow. They kinda vanished after a while. Would've been nice to see them some more. At least the Joes seemed to add new characters when they phased out the kid ones, I don't think Cobra really did. They just kept using Dr. Mindbender.

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I would like to have seen more of Barbecue, if only because I liked his New England voice, lol. Plus he had a sort of sardonic attitude ("They wouldn't know a Cobra agent from apple butter!")

As far as less screen time, I have to agree about Serpentor. He just wasn't distinctive enough as a villain.

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I forgot about Firefly, Major Bludd and Storm Shadow. They kinda vanished after a while. Would've been nice to see them some more. At least the Joes seemed to add new characters when they phased out the kid ones, I don't think Cobra really did. They just kept using Dr. Mindbender.


Yeah the biggest problem the cartoon/comic had there is that while G.I. Joe kept adding new figures who were individual characters; Dusty, Barbecue, Alpine, Bazooka, Airtight--a lot of the new Cobras of that era were generic army builder types; Crimson Guards, Vipers, Tele-Vipers, Strao-Vipers, Motor Vipers, Snow Serpents, B.A.T.S, Eels, etc. Dr. Mindbender was one of the few actual characters they added 85/86.

I would like to have seen more of Barbecue, if only because I liked his New England voice, lol. Plus he had a sort of sardonic attitude ("They wouldn't know a Cobra agent from apple butter!")


Yeah he's a new fave of mine since I've been re-making my way through the series. He's in the classic two-parter "Worlds without end" and his quips are a welcome addition.


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Barbeque was a fun character. We could've used more of him. As I said I wish Cobra would've added actual characters later on. I don't know these guys really, but guys like Croc Master, Big Boa, Voltar, Ghost Bear. Ones they made toys for, but I don't think they were on the show. I think some made it into the new series though.

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More: Snake Eyes

Less: Quick Kick

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I just watched the mini-series that kicked off season 2, "Arise, Serpentor, arise", and I was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of new characters featured, including a number of Cobras; Zandar and Zarana, Monkeywrench, Scrap Iron and Dr. Mindbender along with the B.A.T.S. and the various Vipers. And of course most notably for the Joes, Sgt. Slaughter. I can't remember how much any of them feature in season 2 (I do know Sarge becomes a main character).

More: Snake Eyes

Less: Quick Kick


I actually like Quick Kick, so I'd say less Spirit (who was subbed in for Snake Eyes in the cartoon when it came to confrontations with Stormshadow), more Snake Eyes. I hate how Snake Eyes got shafted in the cartoon. I know he can't talk, but that didn't seem to hamper Larry Hama on the comic book side of things. The Snake Eyes/Stormshadow origin story (Issues #26 & 27) is my all-time favorite comic arc.

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Scrap-Iron was pretty interesting and so was Monkeywrench. The only problem with the latter was that he looked so much like Torch. I never read the comic books, but I wish they could have done some Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow stuff. I guess cuz he didn't talk they didn't know what to do with him. You'd think someone coulda figured out something.

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Yeah Scrap Iron was interesting in the ASA mini-series, going back and forth between Cobra Commander and Dr. Mindbender when it suited him. And I had the same feeling about Monkeywrench. It's odd that they decided to dress him so similarly to Torch when the Monkeywrench action figure is quite disinguishable, with its red vest and light colored jeans.

The original Marvel run of the comic by Larry Hama is fantastic, and has been collected in TPB form. Well worth checking out if you ever get the chance. If nothing else I'd recommend picking up cheap "reader" copies of issues #26 and #27 (The Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow origin story) on eBay some time.

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Is the original Marvel comic run for GI Joe as different from the TV show as the Transformers were?

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I never did read the Transformers comics, but the G.I. Joe comic and cartoon were <---->. The cartoon was much more fantastical, where Larry Hama did his best to keep the comic as close to reality as possible, using his military background to add authenticity to the dialog and the strategies. It says a lot about the quality of each that I've always loved both in spite of how different they are.

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I'm almost halfway through the second season now, and I think we could have used less Leatherneck and Wetsuit. Those two seemed to get more screentime than all the new Joes outside of Lifeline.

I'd have liked to see more screentime for Snake Eyes and Mainframe, who became my favorite of the new Joes. I kind of felt bad for him after 'Computer Complications' and thought he was a fun character.

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I wanted to see more of Ace, Stalker and Doc.

Shipwreck was tolerable but they showed waaay too much of him especially with that annoying parrot.

Also they could have showed more of Duke. They didn't have to sacrifice him for Flint but don't get me wrong I really like Flint and Lady Jaye. They're my two favorite characters.

Serpentor (sP?)was annoying so much so that I lost interest in the show by the time he came on as a regular.

Sure Cobra Commander could be really silly but he still was a more entertaining (in a campy way) villain. Although Destro and Baroness were the most interesting villains.


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Flint: I always found him to be way too vanilla and boring. I much preffered Duke, he was a great leader but also had a bit of a temper and occasionally let his ego get the better of him. The flawed hero is always much more interesting.

Shipwreck: I really liked him as a character. He provided great comic relief but also showed alot of competence. However, there were way too many episodes that focused on him. And Polly could grate on the nerves at times.

Serpentor: Just never was a fan. Also his creation made no since because through the entire first season Destro had ambitions of becoming the new leader of cobra, so when The Comader's troops began to lose faith in him why would Destro help to create a new leader rather than seise the power for himself?

Sgt. Slaughter: Even as a child I found the idea of having a pro wrestler as part of GI Joe to be silly. He was also a bit of a Mary Sue, it was like the guy could do no wrong. Even Duke, Hawk and Flint had their lesser moments (for example Duke couldn't seem to keep himself out of the Cobra brig), but I don't remember the Sarge ever taking a single misstep.

Lady Jaye: Much like flint she was way to vanilla and was a poor replacement for the previous female lead, Scarlett who at least had some attitude. And her array of javelins was as hokey as Adam West's utility belt.

Red Haired Covergirl: Really just a Scarlett clone. What was the point?

Moreover, there was one episode where they hinted at a love triangle between Scarlett, Duke and Covergirl. This certainly could have made her role more interesting but they never explored this any further so again, what was the point?

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Firefly: Way underused. He had such a badass look and yet he was one of the few Cobra's that was not heavily featured. Destro, Zartan and the Twins all got tons of face time so why not Firefly. Hell, even Major Blood got more screen time than Firefly.

Duke: As I said before, the show needed more Duke and less Flint.

Snake Eyes: Should have explored his relationship with Stormshadow. They could have done a two parter about this, but as far as I remember Snake Eyes and storm shadow never even shared a scene. Moreover, while a variety of Joe's were featured in various episodes I can't remember a single one that focused on Snake Eyes.

Airborne: Airborne was part of the second wave of GI Joe Toys. This wave just happened to be the latest and greatest thing when the cartoon series began and thus most of them were heavily featured e.g. Wild Bill, Gung Ho, Ace, Covergirl, Snow Job and Torpedo. Yet, somehow Airborne was seldom seen. Now I have to admit that at first I didn't understand why Airborne was even included in the toy line. He was just another pilot who was not as good at flying Skystrikers as Ace and not as good at flying Dragonflys a Wild Bill. So how could this character be made interesting. Well, in the one episode that did feature him it was revealed that he had extra sensory perception or ESP. This certainly did make Airborne a lot more interesting but for some reason they never explored this ability any further. In fact, following this episode Airborne immediately faded back in the the background and his ESP was only mentioned in one other episode.

Grunt, Grandslam and Flash: Because the second wave was the latest, greatest thing when the cartoon began many of the original Joes were neglected. Sure Scarlett, Snake Eyes and Breaker got a lot of face time, Stalker was prominent during the first mini-series as were Clutch, Zap and Steeler and even Short Fuse and Rock-n-Roll had some memorable moments. These three, however, were almost completely neglected. In fact, I don't remember Grunt even appearing in the series until "Worlds Without End" the episode where he, Steeler and Clutch were permanently written out of the series.

Rock-N-Roll: He was always my favorite of the original crew.

Copperhead and Wild Weasel: It was a rare thing that we got a cobra vehicle driver that was not just a generic ________Viper of some sort. None the less, despite their status as individuals their characters were left undeveloped and unexplored relegated to the occasional cameo appearance.

Blond Haired Covergirl: In the first mini-series she had her own distinct look and personality and actually looked like someone you would put on the cover of a magazine. Sure, she was kind of a girly girl, but this made a nice contrast to the tomboyish Scarlett.

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I agree with Old_Painty_Cans_Ned and Cobra2323. Firefly was criminally underused. He was part of that awesome '84 wave with Storm Shadow and Zartan, and as a result I think he just sort of got lost in the shuffle

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