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Are we still angry at John Landis?


I am not, and I never was. Unfortunate accidents happen. It wasn't like John Landis ordered the helicopter to go crashing down. Also, it is disgusting that some people keep emailing Max Landis that it was his father's fault etc. etc.

"Batter up, bitch boy." -Steve Klaszky

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Yeah exactly right. Some people just like to find the easiest person to blame. Accidents happen unfortunately.

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Thank you. It really, really sucks that Vic Morrow and two children died and I wish it had never happened. I wonder how our life today would be if it hadn't for the accident? Like BTTF Part II.

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But John Landis illegally hired those two children and dirsregarded safety regulations to try to film that infamous helicopter scene. He assured the parents of the children that everything was going to be okay when they were to shoot that scene, and also told the helicopter to keep going lower to the point where it was hovering 20 feet above Morrow and the children when they were running through knee-high water. And on top of that, Landis never expressed any remorse towards the families of those kids and Mr. Morrow. If he wasn't a top Hollywood director at the time, he would have gotten charged with murder if it were any other job.

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I'm guessing it was for a the Vietnam scenes? I find it weird there was only one nam scene, so it makes sense that one was missing. But where did the kids come in, two kid VC's? (Viet cong, the "enemy")

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Yes, he was running with one child under each arm as the helicopter swooped over them.

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This question about how remorseful John Landis truly is, has recently sprung up on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/qnkl26/does_anyone_think_john_landis_has_any_remorse/

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It was an accident. Accidents unfortunately happen sometimes in this industry. The fact that Morrow died while filming a dangerous scene is not what's troubling. It's that Landis illegally hired two children for the scene and ignored all established procedures and safety precautions, and they died also.

That said, there's nothing to be gained 30+ years later by sending emails amd threats to Landis' family.

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Agreed. An actor that was making a comeback and two innocent children died that day. Maybe if it was just Morrow like you said, it wouldn't have been as bad. May their souls rest in peace.

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I think it's wrong for them to harass Max Landis, but John Landis did screw up - BIG TIME on this movie, and let his ego get in the way. The helicopter shouldn't have been in that close proximity to detonating explosives and fire, but Landis kept telling the pilot "LOWER, GET LOWER!" They should have had a stunt double for Vic, and NO WAY should those children have even been working illegally, and not that late, and ABSOLUTELY NOT around those flames and explosives! It was a disaster waiting to happen!

I can totally understand why actors would have qualms about working with him in Hollywood.





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Exactly. I've read two books and still have that NTSB report burned in my head. This wasn't just some "accident." There was plenty of fault to go around including a pilot who wanted to make it big in Hollywood.

As for reading about Max, the child is not responsible for his father's sins

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Exactly! I wish it had ruined his career. I know accidents can happen, but this was an avoidable accident, as people on the set testified. Can't believe they got off with no convictions at all.

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Not at all. Accidents happen, that's life. There's tons of good John Landis youtube videos to watch, he has a lot to say about cinema.

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Landis was a reckless director and a product of his times. I think this was the true golden age of Hollywood where directors like Spielberg, Lucas, and Landis were spewing out hit after hit. If not a golden age then a mad gold rush? Early 80's man: Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Werewolf in London, Poltergeist, ET, Wrath of Khan, Back to the Future, Temple of Doom, The Thing, the list goes on and on. That was when you had to go to the movie almost every week during the summer because you were almost guaranteed to see a very good/fun movie.

As for Landis, like I said he was the reckless one, it caught up to him and ultimately ruined his career. He could have and should have handled this tragedy better but with all those lawyers involved it left a nasty sour taste in a lot of peoples mouths for decades to come.

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How did John Landis's career survive after the Twilight Zone accident?

https://www.quora.com/How-did-John-Landiss-career-survive-after-the-Twilight-Zone-accident/answer/Ty-Doyle

It didn't. The conventional wisdom, repeated in numerous sources without any real support, is definitely that “Landis's career was not significantly affected by the incident.” See, e.g., Twilight Zone accident - Wikipedia. From a distance, such a claim seems plausible: after all, Twilight Zone was filmed in 1982 and Landis directed a number of hit movies later in the 1980s. However, a detailed look at the actual history shows that although the Twilight Zone accident did not put an immediate end to Landis’s career as a director, it dealt his career a serious wound that ultimately proved fatal.

First, if you look at at Landis’s credits, a lot of his most famous work occurred prior to The Twilight Zone, and the majority of the successes Landis had after Twilight Zone was shot in 1982 were prior to his being tried for manslaughter in 1986. Trading Places, for example, had been set for some time and began filming immediately after Twilight Zone wrapped, so the accident was not going to impact that film. Landis further completed Three Amigos and Spies Like Us before his damaging nine-month manslaughter trial.


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https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/8du4bs/what_would_happen_if_the_lead_actor_of_a_movie/dxqiqrk/

The Twilight Zone incident was more than just an accident. Read the account of what happened. John Landis ego got so big, and there was no one who had the balls to tell him no, that it lead to the deaths of three people because he wanted it "bigger". It is a sad story and something Landis should have gone to prison for.

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At least we got to see Vic Morrow and that signature saunter of his one final time...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5tItxKucwQ


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I wouldn't really say angry, but he got away with blatant negligence that effectively consigned several people to their graves.

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I was when it happened but now I'm not. Life goes on.

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Just imagining the terror those children were experiencing right up to their grisly end is enough to convince me that Landis is a piece of human shit.

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