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What they should have done


To me, if you accept the simple premise that we ought to make some effort to keep alive, it is just a rock stupid thing to keep your family in a place that you know is radioactively contaminated and where you are 100% certain that they will eventually die. Look, these people survived for months after the blast. Further, they don't have any radiation burns and don't even begin to get sick or lose their hair until late in the movie, which suggests that they are dieing because of contaminated water/food rather than as a result of radiation exposure from the initial blast.

The US is a big place. There are places in it that will be several hundreds of miles away from any blast. They've got a buddy who has a HF radio capable of making contacts across the world. We know what the Russians will bomb and there are projections for where the fallout will be minimal, given the prevailing west to east wind currents. People would know these things in 1983, especially hams, many of whom are nutjob survivalists anyway. There would be places that they could go, and it's reasonable to assume that they would know of them.

They have another buddy who runs a gas station and is willing to give them free gas. They could fill up the tank and some extra containers with gas, pile as much canned food as they can get into the car and drive up the coast to Oregon, which should be almost entirely fallout free. What do they do when they get there? If there are no survivor's communities or government camps, they could hunt, fish, pick berries, start a garden -the things that people have done to survive for as long as we've been around. No, it won't be a pleasant life, and, yes, there's a pretty good chance that they'd die anyway. But you have to play the odds in life, and Russian roulette is a better bet than a firing squad.

My point is that you don't just lie down and die, which is I think the reason that this film left a bad taste in my mouth. The BBC movie "Threads" was almost a horror story in it's relentless worst case scenario presentation of what a nuclear strike would be like, but at least the characters in it kept moving. This movie was like Family Circle on nihilism.

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You forgot the fact the bombs had hit every major coastal city, Denver, and most likely Las Vegas. They had practically inundated every area in the States with radiation.

How are you going to drive on a limited supply of gas to a place where there is no wind to carry Grays, and also be a place that will escape the eventual nuclear winter? Northern Canada wouldn't be a good choice, you'd certainly freeze to death when the sun was blotted out.

And you would lie down and die eventually, because you're already coated with radiation. You can't escape radiation sickness no matter how far you drive.

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Well, yeah, on a strictly literal level, we do all eventually have to lie down and die. I was just noting the simple fact that it's contemptible to go down without swinging, cursing and spitting, barring some sort of necessary sacrifice.

We don't actually know what areas were hit or to what degree they would have been effected by their initial exposure to radiation from the bombs. The fact that they lived for months after the bomb without vomiting up their guts or bleeding from their eye sockets suggests that their chance of survival would at least have been greatly enhanced if they hadn't remained in an area known to be contaminated, which was really just a stupid thing to do.

We do know what areas the USSR intended to target, however. If you look at this map of FEMA's blast predictions for California,

http://www.survivalring.org/nuclearsurvival/states/ca.htm

you'll see that there is a long band of territory along northern California/Oregon coast that stretches hundred miles inland and does not contain any nuclear targets. Given the prevailing W to E winds, we can assume that these areas would have likely had limited if any contamination from nuclear fallout. And the US itself is a massive landmass while the majority of missiles will be aimed at just a handful of places rather than distributed on a geographic basis. So there will be large areas of the US that would also likely have had limited contamination from fallout. As such, we can also assume that with a full tank of gas from their buddy at the gas station and maybe 10 or 20 gallons in the trunk, they could likely have made it to a much safer area in a day or three.

And, yeah, if the earth is engulfed in a nuclear winter, they're very probably dead anyway. But no one knows how that would have actually played out, and it doesn't seem like they are stuck in a continuous winter in the film. The undeniable fact is that some people would have survived even in the absolute worst case scenario. Maybe natural selection or just luck would have selected them.


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The family was waiting(naively) for the dad to return. Teh mom only finds out later that he was not on his way home.

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I think they had mostly given up on the Dad after the first few days. The Mom had long since given up on him when she recovered that last message.

The war is not meant to be won... it is meant to be continuous.

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Totally agree with TheSouthernDandy...

I've been arguing in a similar way in the thread "Why didn't they leave?" on this board, but a lot of people seem to prefer to die in the comfort of their own home compared to something troublesome like TRYING to survive or save the lives of their own children.

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Well considering there was a high possibilty of them being killed in the most horrific manner possible and the fact the would have died of radiation posioning anyway maybe the mother wonted spare herself and the children one last horror. To survive you need to be a survivour and maybe that mother wasn't one,she is only human.

I strongly suspect that if you knew exactly what you would have to contend with if you left the reletive safety of the town you would think twice about moving on.

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Look at what happened with Hurricane Katrina. People knew it was coming and that it was going to be a disaster and thousands still stayed behind and put themselves in harms way so they could be home. It's not logical. But home is a very comforting place, especially during a disaster. The same thing happened with the family in the film.

Besides, how far are they really going to get in a station wagon filled with gas? 300 miles? And then what? Find another gas station that will sell them some gas? How would they pay for it? How would they deal with the thieves and survivalists once they leave their town?

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<The OP is a nimrod - start to finish.>

With all due respect to the quoted poster, not necessarily.
I think that this was a good film, as it raised public awareness of the issue of nuclear conflict.
The folks in this film could have done things a lot better, however. Preparing for things ahead of time, by having a good supply of canned food, as an example, would have permitted the people to stay inside during the times of heaviest exposure, that is, immediately after the blast, and would have certainly saved at least some lives.
The radioactivity in fallout decays fairly quickly, enough so that limited exposure would be safe after a few days, with longer exposure permitted after a few weeks. After about a month or so, staying out would be relatively safe.
This assumes that cobalt weapons are not used, of course.
There are three defenses against nuclear radiation: time, distance and shielding. The time involved would be relatively short, depending on various factors, and distance simply means that the farther away from a nuclear blast, the safer that you are. Shielding can be as simple as going down into the basement as even a thin layer of dirt and concrete will absorb much of the gamma rays, and almost all of the alpha and beta particles.
One issue that the film raised was: is it safe to eat food that has been exposed to radiation? Yes, it is if the food has been protected from direct contact with fallout. Carefully washing the outside of cans will remove any fallout and render the food inside safe to eat, because fallout does not make food radioactive. A wrapped loaf of bread, for example that has been exposed to fallout, can be safely eaten if the contents do not come into contact with the fallout.
So while nuclear conflict would be a horrible thing, it is, given proper preparation, survivable, in spite of what some would have us to believe.
The people in the film did nearly everything wrong.

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They had no way to detect or measure fallout radiation, so any move they made could have made things worse for them. In fact, moving would have exposed them even more to any radiation that was around.

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I would suggest that, when they didn't immediately come down with radiation sickness symptoms, they hoped that perhaps they were being spared the worst of it. To go elsewhere would probably be risking greater exposure, not less. By the time they found out they were wrong, it was too late.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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Gimme a break...

SHe's everything you wish you could never be.

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I agree. They were just waiting to die and not trying to do anything about it. If you know for sure that an area is irradiated and you know it's bad for your health, what are you going to do? Stay there or maybe, just maybe, move to another part of the country and hope for the best?

Why didn't anybody have a Geiger counter? I mean, sure, it's not a common piece of equipment, but still.

Why didn't they know ANYTHING about the situation in general? Surely there would be SOME information flow, even in a situation like this and not just some old guy trying to contact random people in other cities.

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Remember, these folks are in a small town with limited emergency resources. It's doubtful that the cavalry is going to arrive any time soon, what with emergency personnel busy trying to mop up what they can in their own areas.

Most people are neither survivalists or Mormons, so things like bomb shelters, Geiger counters and large stores of food are unlikely to be kept. EMP would have knocked out most communications, though it's possible refugees from other areas would be on the move and pass through with information about their own experiences.

We can say "coulda-shoulda-woulda" all we want, but the fact is, a large portion of Americans have no clue what to do in any type of large scale emergency, never mind a nuclear war. Heck, I've seen people panic when the electricity goes out for ten minutes at Wal-Mart. I've seen kids melt down when the batteries run out in their cell phones. And we expect these folks to suck it up and grit out a war? Most of us aren't at all used to having to survive. We're used to having things made available to us.

Personally, I live on a farm, am used to manual labor, and might be a tiny bit more prepared for self-sufficiency. But my solar panels, water well, wood stove and garden are no match for widespread radiation. Though I can't say for sure until it happens, I'm one of those who might choose not to live through the horrible aftermath of a nuclear war.

People in the fifties and early sixties were somewhat better educated about shelters and radiation, but lots has been written about how over-optimistic the bomb shelter concept was. By the time the 1980s rolled around, lots of people assumed that a nuclear war meant world annihilation, so why bother trying to survive.

One of the characters in Threads says, "Back to survival of the fittest, I suppose." I think he supposed right.


A learning experience is something that says, "You know that thing you just did? Don't do that."

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<People in the fifties and early sixties were somewhat better educated about shelters and radiation, but lots has been written about how over-optimistic the bomb shelter concept was. By the time the 1980s rolled around, lots of people assumed that a nuclear war meant world annihilation, so why bother trying to survive.>

All right; let me say first that nuclear war would be a disaster almost beyond imagination.

That said, nuclear war is survivable, given the right circumstances. Nuclear bombs will not blow the world apart, and they won't eradicate all life on earth, nor will the radioactivity in a uraniun or plutonium bomb last for thousands of years. It decays to safe levels in a matter of weeks. It helps to have a shelter, (a basement will be better than nothing) and to be away from the major population centers, as I am. Beyond that, it is pretty much common sense.

But a very important factor is the will to survive. If you don't have that, you probably won't make it.

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<<All right; let me say first that nuclear war would be a disaster almost beyond imagination.

That said, nuclear war is survivable, given the right circumstances. Nuclear bombs will not blow the world apart, and they won't eradicate all life on earth, nor will the radioactivity in a uranium or plutonium bomb last for thousands of years. It decays to safe levels in a matter of weeks. It helps to have a shelter, (a basement will be better than nothing) and to be away from the major population centers, as I am. Beyond that, it is pretty much common sense.

But a very important factor is the will to survive. If you don't have that, you probably won't make it. >>

Agreed. Depending on the type of bombs used, fallout would probably not be the global killer it's made out to be. Some of the radiation, like Cesium and Strontium, will take up to 30 years to decay to safe levels, so survivors would have to be careful to avoid ingesting or breathing particles in contaminated areas for a long time. But human life would not be extinguished. Some people somewhere are going to tough it out or just get lucky, and those with a will to survive are going to have a better shot at it. Some would survive, then decide that life after nuclear war wouldn't be worth living. Some with the will to survive would be killed anyway. It's kind of a crap shoot.

A learning experience is something that says, "You know that thing you just did? Don't do that."

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They would also be facing millions of dead bodies which would not be buried or burned after resources ran out. That would increase the chance of disease. The dominance of man would be tested. Animals would return to a wild state in a surprisingly short while. Dogs, rats, coyotes, wolves, etc. would attack people. Insects would thrive without control of pesticides spreading diseases as would birds.
Sanitation would be nonexistent. Try going without a bath or shower for a couple of months and see what condition your skin is in. People on the move would be crapping everywhere. Yuk.
If this happened today I could see million of people walking around in a semi-catatonic state talking on their non-functioning cell phones, attempting to access the internet which is permanently down and hopelessly pressing the controllers on their worthless game machines. The more dependent we are on technology, the faster we will fail without it.
You never mentioned the rise of gangs and paramilitary groups. These are as dangerous as the bomb.
Then lastly there are both zombies and aliens which would attempt to take over the whole planet.

As an apologist turned authority I don't defend my comments because I am always right.

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See there, Gary. All of your thoughtful, realistic, well-considered thoughts on this movie are moot, because in reality nuclear war is about "pushing the button" and watching the whole world die slowly of invisible radioactive voodoo vibes. Oh, and zombies and aliens would come and take over. :-)

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Seems to me the aliens would rather take over a planet with working toilets and no zombies. ;-)

A learning experience is something that says, "You know that thing you just did? Don't do that."

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They had no way of testing the radiation levels of the places they would be traveling to. No one knew exactly where the bombs had gone off. They just had news reports and we all know how inaccurate these can be. And the people were getting sick because of radiation poisoning. You do not bleed from your butt, lose your hair from contaminated food. And think of how stressful, difficult moving would have been for the elderly and children. No, they did no wrong by not moving.

"Do All Things For God's Glory"-1 Corinthians 10:31
I try doing this with my posts

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The problem with fleeing elsewhere was they didn't know what places were safe and what places were not . They had heard rumors such as refugee camps in Canada but that was all. Even if they got that far what happens if the border is closed, you can't turn back .Go south but you don't know if Mexican border is closed also .There was no news from outside except for the neighbor who was a ham radio operator and it seemed like he had fewer contacts as time went by . They could probably go 300 miles North South or East before running out of gas and then what ? Gas stations would run out quickly during a crisis due to panic buying so there would be no chance to replenish their supply. Another problem would be safety if they got into trouble there would be no one to help them no police fire tow trucks. They would be completely on their own. Any criminals would consider a mother and 3 children a tempting target also.

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