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did omar set tony up?


tony thinks so, but how exactly would that have worked? hector and co wouldnt give omar a cut of the money right? so im not following how omar setting tony up would benefit omar, unless he just wanted tony killed. but that doesnt make much sense since they only just met and had a 30 second conversation.

and would omar have the balls to set something up behind frank's back?

annnnnnd, do you think sosa was right that omar was a rat?

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Omar probably knew Hector and co were untrustworthy and that the buy would be an unpredictable risk, possibly ending in Tony's death. For Omar it would simply be a big *beep* you" to Tony's arrogance and disrespect.

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This is how I see it. Remember during their heated argument, Omar was about to draw his gun and apparently kill Tony, right there and there? His partner keeps him from doing so and says to him in a low/sinister tone. "The Colombians". At that moment Omar cae en tiempo and replies, "ah si!' like he just realized something. I think that was his partner's way saying. "You don't have to kill him. The Colombians will do it for us!"

That's when he gives that aforementioned job to Tony and his crew.

So I don't think he deliberately sent Tony to his death. But he did know it was going to be a suicide mission!

Frank was probably also aware of the risks involved in this deal. He probably told Omar something like "I'm not gonna risk my guys with this operation. Find me someone stupid enough to do the job".

And low and behold! That sucker was Tony.

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while I get them not wanting to risk any of their tried and trusted people on this dangerous deal, they were still risking the buy money - either through the Columbians murdering the new guys and taking it, or through the new guys trying to steal it themselves. So why do the deal with Hector in the first place if they were so concerned about him?
Unless it was, by their standards, a small time deal to start with, and therefore worth risking a few thousand in petty cash - if it went well and Hector turned out to be reliable, it would pave the way to much bigger deals and profits with Hector in the future. If it went badly, well, it's just a few thousand $$$ and no-one they cared about would have been lost.

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That pretty much sums it up! I can't remember if they mentioned how much that "buy money" was worth, but it was likely a trivial amount. As you said. By Frank's standards anyway!

Not to mention that these Colombians were "small time". Frank could easily track them down, if he found out they screwed him over. Or maybe he would just say "what the hell!" It's only a couple thousand. They're not worth the trouble". Frank was such an easy going mob boss that it wouldn't surprise me if he overlooked this slight.

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As for your question, regarding Omar's "trustworthiness". I like how it's keep ambiguous in the movie. But consider this. If Omar truly was an informant. Wouldn't he had sold out Frank as well?

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I think Omar immediately saw Tony as a threat. When Omar offered them the unloading job, Tony quickly pointed out that he was trying to underpay them; this showed that Tony knew his stuff and wasn’t afraid to stand up for himself.
And Omar’s fear proved well-founded, as Tony quickly became Frank’s new favourite (for a while at least).
As for how a set-up would have worked, Omar would probably have gone behind Frank’s back and told Hector that if he killed Tony, he could keep the money and the drugs with no reprisals, something like that.

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