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sound barrier scene: check this out america



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jR_h2N2LYk

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Compressibility and the "Sound Barrier" were well known during WWII. Several fighters, P-38,and F4F Corsair among them had bumped into it, and been modified to prevent reaching sonic speeds in dives. There is reason to believe that several planes had reached or exceeded the sound barrier, but no instrumented proof. The whole sound barrier thing was mostly press relations and Slick Goodlin was old and wanted to retire and thought he could cash in. And of course there is the famous British movie about reversing the controls! So it is an international conspiracy!!!!!
Lou

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it is an international conspiracy!!!!!
That's the downside of the Internet. Every tin foil hat wearing fool *cough*op*cough* gets to broadcast his idiocy.

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The British did have a credible program for investigating transonic flight speeds, but it wasn't the Miles M52. It was the de Havilland DH 180. I have always regarded the fictional fatal flight that begins "The Right Stuff" as an oblique reference to Geoffrey de Havilland's last flight.

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Fictional? Check your facts. Yeager did it first.
Well, the fatality in the opening scene shows a flight involving the X-1. Since none of the 3 X-1's were ever lost in the air, I'm pretty sure it is fictitious.

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Was I talking about that? No.


Geoff said;
I have always regarded the fictional fatal flight that begins "The Right Stuff" as an oblique reference to Geoffrey de Havilland's last flight.


Then you said;
Fictional? Check your facts. Yeager did it first.


All I was hoping to do was point out that there was not a single fatal flight involving the X-1. That's all. As the X-1 crashed in the opening scenes, I would postulate the scene was... fictional.

Geoff was talking about the first scene. I was talking about the first scene. And I don't agree that the scene was a 'nod' to De Havilland.

What were you talking about?

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I felt like that scene was sort of an adaption of that part. But again, my apologies.

no offence taken whatsoever! The book's opening chapter introduces us to a young Navy officer on his first air crash investigation,(good name for a television show) isn'it? Of course, we know he goes onto bigger and better things.

And Bud's character is fictional, and most of Pete's story, if not all is omitted from the movie.
Great movie... even better book.

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Spot the difference:

The Miles M52's fuselage was patterned after a .303 bullet, because that was one shape that was known to be stable at supersonic speeds. It had straight, laminar-flow, ultra-thin wings and an all-moving tail.

The Bell X1's fuselage was patterned after a .50 calibre bullet. It had straight, laminar-flow, ultra-thin wings and an all-moving tail.

Sounds like similar approaches, really. But then Miles did tell Bell their design concept.

So what made the M52 so much less credible a test plane than the DH108, an abortion cobbled together from a Vampire fuselage and swept-back wings?

The DH108 killed Geoffrey de Havilland, Stewart Muller-Rowland and George Genders. John Derry may or may not have exceeded the speed of sound in the Swallow in what was called "a barely-controlled crash dive". Eric "Winkle" Brown, arguably the greatest test pilot in history, who was due to be chief test pilot for the Miles M52, flew the 108. His Pilot Notes recorded: "A killer. Nasty stall. Vicious undamped longitudinal oscillation at speed in bumps."

Brown has flown more different types of aircraft than anybody ever, and he has prevailed in some pretty hairy experiences. Yet he attributes his survival in the DH108 not to his outstanding skills as a pilot, but to the fact that he was several inches shorter than de Havilland, and he cranked the seat right down, because he guessed Geoffrey had broken his neck when his head hit the canopy. Sure enough, at 0.98 Mach, all hell broke loose without warning, and Brown was thrown up and down as the plane went into a vicious phugoid oscillation,

The plane had a 60% fatality rate, and all three aircraft were destroyed in fatal accidents. Credible? I don't think so.


The restitution of life is no great feat. A variety of deaths may well enter into your punishment

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What Yeager did was make the first POWERED LEVEL FLIGHT past Mach 1. The late WWII planes did not have the power or the correct moveable tail to counter shock stall. There was the Me262 that tried to break Mach 1 in a dive but the engines werent designed to operate at speeds over Mach 0.85 so they flamed out. The Messerschmitt Komet was rocket powered but it's own designer said it didn't have the tail needed and could only go about Mach 0.85. If anyone did do it before Yeager they had to do it in a steep dive. That's why Yeager is the man.

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What Yeager did was make the first level powered flight past Mach 1. Other late WWII planes either didnt have the power or the correct engines. A moveable tail was needed to counter shock stall and the others didnt have them.

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Miles M52 did. The flying tail was pioneered on a Miles Magister trainer to proof the concept.

The restitution of life is no great feat. A variety of deaths may well enter into your punishment

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Sorry for the double post. It said the first post was deleted then it popped up 10 minutes later

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by billymac107 ยป Sun Aug 19 2012 21:15:46
IMDb member since February 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jR_h2N2LYk

How dissapointing, but not unexpected.

Some goddamn jerk POS General at the Pentagon takes another countries research, gives it to our boys, claims that we did the impossible, then seals it up for security reasons.

What a complete and total POS class-1 jerk.

I'm going to find out who that SOB was. What an absolute scum bag.

Yeah sure, our boy Yaeger flew "the beast", but let's give the Brit engineers credit, goddamit.

This really pisses me off.

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