I really liked the Brian and Robin scenes, even though there wasn't that many of them. I thought they were kinda cute together. Peter Nelson and Blair Tefkin had good chemistry together.
I thought their storyline was very interesting in a Romeo and Juliet kind of way, especially with the half alien/half human baby.
It seems that the are reversing the roles in the new mini series. A human boy and an alien female. She will no doubt be giving birth to the new half human half lizard baby in this series. Should be interesting to see how it holds up and to see if they have an ounce of the chemistry Robin and Brian had.
shareYeah. That's what my cousin and I were discussing the other day. They're doing a Brian/Robin kinda relationship, except this time the Visitor is a girl and the Human is a boy.
shareThe reversal already presents problems in my opinion. Originally, we see the birth through the eyes of the resistance since Robin is a part of said resistance. The guy will now get the alien girl pregnant and the birth will be taken care of by the visitors. It seems to lose something.
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I agree with you, TheSolarSailor. I like it better with Robin being the woman/human who gives birth and Brian being the alien/male father. Plus, I just liked Robin and Brian better anyways. I liked the chemistry between Peter Nelson (Brian) and Blair Tefkin (Robin) from their first scene together.
shareWell, the original took the time to make it all work. We bought into it. This new series is rushing things way too fast. I just can't imagine our investing in the plight of a pregnant visitor in the way that we did with the pregnant human...or let me guess, alien women cause human men to become pregnant?
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Diana and Brian we're lovers and she's the one who put Brian up to seducing a love sick Robin in the first place. Does this mean that Anna and Lisa are going to be lovers now and give the show some kinda lesbian twist? lol
shareWell, it may have started out as Romeo and Juliet, but it ended badly for Robin getting raped by Brian and having twins. By the way, originally Dominique Dunne was supposed to play Robin, but she was killed by her boyfriend.
shareI liked Dominique Dunne &, although I liked Blair Tefkin, I think Dominique would have done a better job. Plus, Ditto Stevenackerman. Robin was essentially raped! I think Robin realized she was used later. She sure got even in the end.
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That's horrible what happened to Dominique Dunne. I think she would have been great in the role, but I loved Blair Tefkin in the role as well. I liked her chemistry with Peter Nelson. I think she fit him better than Dominique.
However, I disagree that Robin was "raped." It was like love at first sight for Robin the very moment she laid eyes on Brian. The lovemaking was very mutual. Brian did not rape Robin.......being used and being raped are very different. Rape means being forced. Brian did not force Robin. She agreed....and was even eager.
Is there a missing scene where Robin tried to find Brian and he wanted nothing to do with her? Or is just implied that he never called her again?
shareWhen Mike Donovan rescued Robin from the mothership, she went into hiding with Donovan, Julia, Elias, Robert and the rest of the resistance team. I don't think that Brian knew where Robin was.
shareYes, so why was Robin SO sure he used her? I would presume he doesn't know where she is? I just never understood her hatred for him.
shareI never understood her hatred for him, either. I never got why she was so sure that he used her. I didn't like the fact that Robin killed Brian when she was so in love with him before. I hated when Brian died. He was one of my favorites from V.
shareYeah, that was a mistake. That and having Elizabeth do that star child nonsense at the end to save earth. They should have used someone else for the toxin and let Brian be a "gray" character, which is actually realistic in life. Someone who changes with experience.
shareThat's true. The "gray" character would have been more realistic.
He didn't necessarily have to be as sweet as Willie or as helpful as Martin, but he could have been more in between or complex or "gray."
Where he actually cared and had empathy for his half-human child, and for Robin. That could have been his weakness, soft spot or humanity.
It seemed the Visitors were either all good or all bad. Brian could have been more complex or "gray," a Visitor who was not all good or all bad.
For example, if Diana or one of the other Visitors were going to hurt Elizabeth, would Brian try to prevent it or try to protect his own child from harm?
That's exactly what I was thinking - visitors were either good or bad. That's not real. People change. It would symbolize hope. And wasn't that one of the themes?
shareThat's exactly what I was thinking - visitors were either good or bad. That's not real. People change. It would symbolize hope. And wasn't that one of the themes?
Diamond, I have a question: I just bought the original miniseries, and I just noticed that Diana wanted to perform a "medical experiment." I always thought that the "experiment" was how humans mate, but is it that she wants to create a hybrid baby? In that case, Brian WOULD know he impregnated Robin. Thoughts?
shareYeah. I wondered about that, too, lamsell.
It was never really made clear, though.
I just remember when Robin and Elizabeth came to visit Brian in the glass prison/cage, Brian looked curiously at Elizabeth and asked Robin if the child was her sister. Then, Robin told him that it was his daughter Elizabeth.
In my opinion, Brian genuninely looked shocked and a bit taken aback that he had a daughter, as though he was hearing about it for the very first time. Now, granted, I don't know if he was just shocked about Elizabeth's growth or just the simple fact that he had a child. Personally, I think he was shocked about having a child.
However, when the priest took Elizabeth to Diana, Diana asked if Elizabeth was the child of Robin Maxwell. So, I'm thinking maybe Diana was secretive about the purpose of the "medical experiment," and maybe didn't tell Brian the true purpose of the "medical experiment."
I think he did it to help Diana with her "medical experiment," and since he was attracted to Robin, and already had a friendship/relationship with Robin, he didn't mind experimenting/participating.
He might not have known if it worked or not. Remember, she escaped shortly afterward and he didn't know where she was. He just brushed it off considering the whole master plan the aliens were doing anyway.
shareWell, after Robin is rescued by Martin and escapes with Mike and Sancho in the flyer, she goes into hiding. The last scene in the original show is her looking in the mirror knowing her eggo is preggo with Brian's kid. She is worried because she knows Brian is alien and isn't sure what this baby will be. In the sequel, she asks Willie if he knows Brian and he says he doesn't. I think the reason was she wanted to get a message to him.
shareIs there a missing scene where Robin tried to find Brian and he wanted nothing to do with her? Or is just implied that he never called her again?
Well, maybe not raped. I don't know if she actually wanted to do it with Brian. In the novelization it sort of says that she didn't want to.
shareRobin did want to have sex with Brian. Remember, she had a huge crush on him. I remember her asking Daniel if he thought Brian was still a virgin or not. She was very interested.
shareIn the animal kingdom, reptiles included, they mate purely to pro-create...and that is all. Humans, (as far as I know) are the only living organisms that mate also for recreational and emotional reasons. Brian and Diana were completely void of any feeling, empathy or emotion. This is probably why Robin thought that Brian had "used" her....because he did...him and Diana did, to procreate. Robin was forgetting that Brian was not a human being.
shareBut I think Brian was attracted to Robin. I think he did like Robin. He wasn't in love with her, but I think he did have some interest.
Willie had feelings for Harmony. And Martin considered Donovan his friend, so it's possible for the visitors to have feelings.
Plus, the visitors were not your average reptiles. They were human-like. They exhibited many human-like qualities, like, hate, attraction, jealousy, ambition, and manipulation. They had feelings.
Ahem Brian and Diana were lovers...Isn't that sex for recreation? Kinda breaks what you said.
shareI had no sympathy for Brian whatsoever. He didn't rape Robin, but he took advantage of her when she frightened and vulnerable which is just as bad. The only problem I had with her killing him is that she made Elizabeth see it. I couldn't help wondering what effect that would have on Elizabeth when she grew up and I don't think that was ever addressed.
shareDiamond 97 I hate to break this to you but Robin was experimented on by Diana and Raped by Brian. I don't find anything at all Romantic about that situation.
Robin was 17 years old. The age of consent in California is 18. Which means Brian is/was guilty of Statutory Rape.
Definition of Statutory Rape:
The phrase statutory rape is a term used in some legal jurisdictions to describe sexual activities where one participant is below the age required to legally consent to the behavior.[1] Although it usually refers to adults engaging in sex with minors under the age of consent,[1] it is a generic term, and very few jurisdictions use the actual term "statutory rape" in the language of statutes.[2] Different jurisdictions use many different statutory terms for the crime, such as "sexual assault," "rape of a child," "corruption of a minor," "carnal knowledge of a minor," "unlawful carnal knowledge", or simply "carnal knowledge." Statutory rape differs from forcible rape in that overt force or threat need not be present. The laws presume coercion, because a minor or mentally challenged adult is legally incapable of giving consent to the act.
Robin had a school girl crush on Brian. Diana took advantage of that fact. And experimented on her while Robin was aboard the Mothership. Then Diana asked Brian to have Sexual Relations with Robin as part of the experiment. There was no Love on Brian's part, or did you miss that part where Diana is telling Brian "...she believes everything you are telling her".
Robin was 17 years old. The age of consent in California is 18. Which means Brian is/was guilty of Statutory Rape.
Definition of Statutory Rape: ...
I always wonder what would have happened if Robin hadn't killed Brian. He told her that "the three of them could be together and away from" everyone else. He was obviously trying to take advantage of Robin again, but what would he have done? Would he have taken Robin and Elizabeth some place? Would he have killed them? Always wondered about that...
shareI think so. He was just saying that to hope that Robin would help him get out of his captivity. Didn't you love it when Mike and Ham bring him in and Robert sees him and tries to attack him in rage for what he did to his daughter and Mike tries to calm him down?
shareWhat he would have done, had Robin released him and tried to run away with Bryan and Elizabeth, is turn them BOTH over to Diana, so that she could study them (or study Elizabeth and kill Robin).
Bryan may have had some vague interest in Robin in the beginning, but once Diana enlisted him in her medical experiment, that was all that mattered. When he was captured by the resistance, he just wanted to escape. He CERTAINLY would not have run off with Robin and Elizabeth to live happily ever after away from everything in the mountains of Los Angeles.
Robin knew this, instinctively. His betrayal of her youthful crush, and her subsequent experience with giving birth and all the craziness that ensued, meant she had wizened up and would never trust him. The entire scene where she is approaching Bryan's prison glass, coaxing him into thinking she may release him (with the vial of red dust in her pocket), reveals this. She does not believe him. She is now smarter. And he pays the price.
The actors may have had a chemistry (in terms of acting abilities to deliver characters that came across convincingly, or other forms of chemistry), but Brian used Robin and discarded her, playing games with her later on - especially once captured.
He had no sense of respect or care to her.
He lied.
She had no idea of his true nature - she thought he was human/humanoid.
At least until she learned more, thanks to the Resistance.
When Robin realized this, she was heartbroken and used the red dust on him. Still ambivalent and grieving, but she hated him. And what his actions did to her.
But Brian was a lackey for Diana. Even after their tryst, it was clear his allegiance was to Diana.