The mother just seems too nice and motherly to have raped a mentally disabled dying man.
I suggest you read the book. First of all, Jenny Fields isn't "nice", in a conventional sense. Also, to her, it was never rape. Garp's days were filled with a sexual frustration of sorts, and as far as she was concerned, she was just making the best of it.
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Jenny Fields is clearly nuts.
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Yeah, I would say it's a pretty fair statement to say Jenny Fields is NUTS! But I think it is safe to say she is just as sane as any one of us, just a bit more on the nutty side. The book does a lot better in describing why she is the way she is, nad gives a little more background on her family.
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Isn't rape supposed to be a negative thing?
To be taken against one's will? Forced? Abused?
What does Garp the father say about what Jenny does, during it?
--he speaks the only other word he's ever spoken, other than 'Garp', since he was in the hospital:
"Good"
Somehow I don't look upon that as rape.
Angel of Mercy, perhaps -- but no, not rape.
Jenny and her army of toungless man-hating women are all dikes. No surprise she would rape a dying man.
Huh? They're walls that hold out water? I don't get it.
OHHHH, you're insinuating they are lesbians.
Well, I have to say, the LAST thing a lesbian would want to do is have sex w. a man, with or without his consent.
Nice to know homophobia is still alive and kicking out there, though.
*sigh*
You really ought to get out more.
This mentall disabled man had constant erection and was trying to masturbate all the time. After some time Jenny helps him a little, and finally she decided to take some benefits from it (baby) :P
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This was rape. Sexual intercourse without consent. The same as a man having consensual sex with an underage girl, or a woman with an underage boy. Would your view be the same if the character was a man, and had sex with an unconscious or mentally impaired woman?
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I'm watching this right now, and she's not insane, she's just a very logical, scientific woman. This is evident in the conversation with the hooker. As far as "raping" the soldier, she saw it as solving two problems. One, she wanted a baby without a husband, and two, he needed relief. As a nurse, she probably knew that a constant erection would probably be painful. ? Not being a man, I wouldn't know, but it would seem like it. She is, however, naive in the way the world works in most respects.
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So if you have sex with a mentally disable woman with high sex drive, it is not rape ?
On a scientic level, there are lots of woman into a coma that coud be used to have children.
But could it be...rape or something ?
Is it a gender thing ? Would the nurse be allowed to fruck a man, but would be a criminal thing to frack a brain dying woman ?
Or is it a sexist thing, i mean, are women the only gender allowed to make sex legally with mentally disabelled, dying people ?
It would not have been considered rape in 1978, when the book was published. For example, at that time, a 17 year old boy having sex with his 25 year old teacher would have been the envy of the gang. Today he is a victim of predatory grooming and rape.
Also, the only reply from the solder is saying "good", which can be interpreted as some level of consent.
In short, it could be argued that this constitutes rape by today's standards, but that was not the intention of the writer. Definitely unconventional, but certainly not violent. Do not forget that rape is not about sex, it is about dominance and violence. She just wanted a child, certainly not to humiliate the soldier.
It really depends if you use moral rules or ethical considerations. E.g. it was amoral, but not unethical.
If you look at it rationally she gave him relief and he liked it (he said good). So there is no ethical problem since there is no victim (HE doesn't have to bear and raise the child). He would die anyways. In many ways it's the greatest gift a women can give a dying man, to procreate.
If you want to apply moral rules it depends on the moral rules you want to use. If you are a puritan you could say women should not be allowed out of the house and for that alone she should be beaten by her husband or her father. Or burned at the stake for practicing witchcraft (medicines and stuff).
Legally is another matter of course. today she would be considered legally guilty. But that only shows you how imperfect law is.
She wouldn't be considered legally guilty. Demonstrating consent would be easy or convicting her of force would be very difficult.
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